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Massachusetts is reporting 1% CFR for vaccinated individuals. 106/9,969, as of August 7th. https://www.mass.gov/doc/daily-covid-19-vaccine-report-august-10-20

by breck 5y ago

Massachusetts is reporting 1% CFR for vaccinated individuals. 106/9,969, as of August 7th. https://www.mass.gov/doc/daily-covid-19-vaccine-report-august-10-2021/download https://www.mass.gov/doc/daily-covid-19-vaccine-report-augus...

nradov 5y ago
You have misinterpreted the data. The CDC reports 0.6% fatality rate overall since the start of the pandemic. The fatality rate for vaccinated individuals is way lower, for all variants. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd... Case fatality rates are completely meaningless and useless. The vast majority of infections never get officially tested or counted as cases.
- breck 5y ago
  I'm well calibrated on what CFR is, and I don't disagree that there are better measures. However, the parent made a comment about CFR, and so I updated them with more recent numbers, about CFR, which are 20x higher, so at the very least hints that perhaps their numbers are off.
  - dcolkitt 5y ago
    You’re right. I screwed up by using CFR. Should have said IFR. Mea culpa.
    - breck 5y ago
      Np! Lots of messiness in the data out there. I hope our data infra gets 8x-64x better in the years ahead. Maybe if we can get there this could be the last pandemic.
alexk 5y ago
Take a look at this article, it explains why calculating CFR this way is not accurate: https://www.capradio.org/articles/2021/05/10/no-the-death-rate-for-vaccinated-people-is-not-higher-than-that-of-unvaccinated-people/ https://www.capradio.org/articles/2021/05/10/no-the-death-ra... > Erin Mordecai, an assistant professor of biology at Stanford University, agreed with Riley about the miscalculation, and cautioned against the comparison. > She said it’s impossible to accurately calculate a death rate for each group — vaccinated versus vaccinated — because demographics skew the data. > “Those breakthrough cases may not be an average subset of the population, they may be a more at risk group that's more likely to have severe disease anyway,” Mordecai said. “To better understand what's going on with the relative risk, you would need to know the demographics of the underlying health conditions of the people who experienced those breakthrough cases and deaths.”
- breck 5y ago
  My comment is accurate. We are talking about CFR. Whether that is a key metric is a different discussion. I provided the numbers and the source. P.S. That article did not age well.

by breck 5y ago

nradov 5y ago

You have misinterpreted the data. The CDC reports 0.6% fatality rate overall since the start of the pandemic. The fatality rate for vaccinated individuals is way lower, for all variants. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd... Case fatality rates are completely meaningless and useless. The vast majority of infections never get officially tested or counted as cases.

breck 5y ago
I'm well calibrated on what CFR is, and I don't disagree that there are better measures. However, the parent made a comment about CFR, and so I updated them with more recent numbers, about CFR, which are 20x higher, so at the very least hints that perhaps their numbers are off.
- dcolkitt 5y ago
  You’re right. I screwed up by using CFR. Should have said IFR. Mea culpa.
  - breck 5y ago
    Np! Lots of messiness in the data out there. I hope our data infra gets 8x-64x better in the years ahead. Maybe if we can get there this could be the last pandemic.

alexk 5y ago

Take a look at this article, it explains why calculating CFR this way is not accurate: https://www.capradio.org/articles/2021/05/10/no-the-death-rate-for-vaccinated-people-is-not-higher-than-that-of-unvaccinated-people/ https://www.capradio.org/articles/2021/05/10/no-the-death-ra... > Erin Mordecai, an assistant professor of biology at Stanford University, agreed with Riley about the miscalculation, and cautioned against the comparison. > She said it’s impossible to accurately calculate a death rate for each group — vaccinated versus vaccinated — because demographics skew the data. > “Those breakthrough cases may not be an average subset of the population, they may be a more at risk group that's more likely to have severe disease anyway,” Mordecai said. “To better understand what's going on with the relative risk, you would need to know the demographics of the underlying health conditions of the people who experienced those breakthrough cases and deaths.”

breck 5y ago
My comment is accurate. We are talking about CFR. Whether that is a key metric is a different discussion. I provided the numbers and the source. P.S. That article did not age well.