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ELI5 for those of use who don't reddit/haven't seen the subreddit before?

ev1 5y ago
TLDR open everything up/antivax/antimask subreddit There is also a hefty dose of "if seatbelts work why do i have to wear one by law, why isn't other people wearing one enough" type of logic.
- tentacleuno 5y ago
  I'm interested in why people are downvoting. Is the conclusion wrong? I'm unable to view the subreddit and the barrage of downvotes on seemingly correct comments does nothing to explain what it actually is.
  - Overton-Window 5y ago
    A percentage of the population have been ideologically captured by the establishment. They're no longer able to entertain curious discussion. Any dissonance must be drowned out.
    - stouset 5y ago
      If categorically labeling those who disagree with you “ideologically captured” and “no longer able to entertain curious discussion” isn’t itself drowning out dissonance and discouraging curious discussion, I honestly don’t know what is.
Overton-Window 5y ago
A subreddit that questions whether using 1984 as a playbook to quash a disease with a 99.97% survival rate is the right trade-off.
- bdibs 5y ago
  Which policies in particular do they find 1984-esque? Also I'm not sure where 99.97% is coming from, I'm getting ~98.3% from the CDC's Data Tracker page. Of course unreported cases could increase that, but it still seems significantly different from whatever source that's from.
  - nradov 5y ago
    The actual CDC best estimate is a 99.4% survival rate overall in the US since the pandemic started. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd... Of course the survival rate is much higher than that now for vaccinated people.
- lefrenchy 5y ago
  If you genuinely think that the fight against COVID-19 is like 1984 i’m certain you haven’t engaged deeply with Orwell’s writings.
  - gaetgu 5y ago
    I don't think that he is implying that COVID == 1984, but rather that there are some massive (surface-level) similarities between the handling of the COVID pandemic and general US policies and the policies in 1984.

ev1 5y ago

TLDR open everything up/antivax/antimask subreddit There is also a hefty dose of "if seatbelts work why do i have to wear one by law, why isn't other people wearing one enough" type of logic.

tentacleuno 5y ago
I'm interested in why people are downvoting. Is the conclusion wrong? I'm unable to view the subreddit and the barrage of downvotes on seemingly correct comments does nothing to explain what it actually is.
- Overton-Window 5y ago
  A percentage of the population have been ideologically captured by the establishment. They're no longer able to entertain curious discussion. Any dissonance must be drowned out.
  - stouset 5y ago
    If categorically labeling those who disagree with you “ideologically captured” and “no longer able to entertain curious discussion” isn’t itself drowning out dissonance and discouraging curious discussion, I honestly don’t know what is.

Overton-Window 5y ago

A subreddit that questions whether using 1984 as a playbook to quash a disease with a 99.97% survival rate is the right trade-off.

bdibs 5y ago
Which policies in particular do they find 1984-esque? Also I'm not sure where 99.97% is coming from, I'm getting ~98.3% from the CDC's Data Tracker page. Of course unreported cases could increase that, but it still seems significantly different from whatever source that's from.
- nradov 5y ago
  The actual CDC best estimate is a 99.4% survival rate overall in the US since the pandemic started. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd... Of course the survival rate is much higher than that now for vaccinated people.
lefrenchy 5y ago
If you genuinely think that the fight against COVID-19 is like 1984 i’m certain you haven’t engaged deeply with Orwell’s writings.
- gaetgu 5y ago
  I don't think that he is implying that COVID == 1984, but rather that there are some massive (surface-level) similarities between the handling of the COVID pandemic and general US policies and the policies in 1984.