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Currently 1Password's UX is just awful. - On macOS, half the time auto fill doesn't work. Saving a password is very inconsistent. - When you auto generate a p

Currently 1Password's UX is just awful. - On macOS, half the time auto fill doesn't work. Saving a password is very inconsistent. - When you auto generate a password, the least resistance UI workflow is to first save and fill it - but then when you create the account it is saved again, making it a duplicate. - The "move to trash" button is obscurely hidden somehow (used to be much better). - And don't get me started on the Windows client - on my fast gaming PC it takes forever just to unlock the vault. I've cancelled my subscription and won't renew once it runs out.

bussierem 5y ago
Highly recommend trying BitWarden! I'm a paying user of it myself. It also has export of data and full self-hosted options as well. The browser plugins work amazingly well. The phone app is...i would say 75-80%. I've had trouble sometimes getting it to popup the "auto-fill" but otherwise it works very slick (supporting biometric unlock too).
- rcarmo 5y ago
  Bitwarden doesn't do iCloud sync to iOS, or does it? (didn't when I had a look at it a while back).
  - bussierem 5y ago
    I do not have an iPhone so I am not sure, sorry!
  - ripply 5y ago
    No the vault is not able to be a local vault but you can self host your vault on your own server and it uses secure remote password for logging in just like 1password. It also has end to end encryption for the vault. The only way for your vault to get compromised is through a server compromise and brute forcing your password, due to how SRP works, even if DNS was taken over and someone intercepted your login request it’s not possible to derive anything about your password and the client would detect that the remote doesn’t actually have the vault. Even if they man in the middled the login they can’t learn about your password or get access to your encrypted vault.
- room505 5y ago
  Does Bitwarden's desktop application use Electron? Edit: Okay, it sounds like from the comments, it does use Electron. Then my followup question is, if people are upset with 1Password moving in this direction, then Bitwarden would not be a good alternative, no?
  - mcyukon 5y ago
    Yes, from their Github page "The Bitwarden desktop app is written using Electron and Angular. The application installs on Windows, macOS, and Linux distributions."
  - bussierem 5y ago
    It does, but I have yet to need it. I use the browser plugin for everything. If a desktop app needs a password, I just open the FF plugin and copy the password myself haha.
  - kalleboo 5y ago
    It is, but on the Mac, one of the big selling points of 1Password was a nice, native UI. If that feature is gone, why use it over an open-source, self-hostable alternative?
    - pseudalopex 5y ago
      People attached to the nice native UI are looking for another nice native UI.
  - jakebasile 5y ago
    I was paying extra ($36/y vs $10/y) for the native app 1Password provided. Why would I keep paying more now that AgileBits decided not to offer the feature I wanted?
- Rebelgecko 5y ago
  FWIW, my experience has been that Bitwarden's autofill is pretty bad compared to other password managers (I recently migrated from Lastpass, and used 1password in the past). I end up having to manually copy and paste a lot of passwords because the browser extension can't find the right fields.
  - bussierem 5y ago
    Interesting, I've never had that issue on the browser. I HAVE noticed that if you open the plugin before the page finishes loading, it will error trying to fill the fields. In those cases I tend to just close the plugin and reopen it and it seems to work fine for me. No idea if your experience has been different, just a thought!
  - neurostimulant 5y ago
    I had problem with lastpass' overly aggresive autofill and form detection system that seriously slow down any page that has a lot of input fields. I had a page with 500 input fields that I used semi-regularly at work to bulk update some configuration, and the slow down was so bad the page will be unresponsive for >5 minutes. It was the last straw that made me migrate bitwarden.
derimagia 5y ago
If anyone has the issue with Windows and it taking forever try uninstalling, wiping all your user data in AppData and then reinstalling. Worked for me at least after being extremely frustrated. I think they are converting the windows version to the same platform. Not saying it doesn't frustrate me with other things. I haven't used the Mac client in a while but I remember it being really good though
FreezerburnV 5y ago
My experience is the opposite for all of these points. I have no issues with auto-fill, I haven’t run into issues with duplicates for a while, unlocking doesn’t take forever anywhere. I don’t know about the move to trash button, it could be moved but I don’t recall it being that hard to get to. It’s really interesting to hear these differences in experience for the same product. I wonder why it’s happening? Gotta be something going on there.
djrogers 5y ago
Anecdata, but I've not experienced a single one of the issues you're seeing, and I use it across 2 Macs an iPhone and an iPad dozens of times a day.
- lazzlazzlazz 5y ago
  This is genuinely surprising to me. I've used 1Password for years across every browser on Android, iOS, Mac OS, and Windows, and the issues with autofill and saving on websites are consistent. You must be using it for only a few sites, only for apps — something.

bussierem 5y ago

Highly recommend trying BitWarden! I'm a paying user of it myself. It also has export of data and full self-hosted options as well. The browser plugins work amazingly well. The phone app is...i would say 75-80%. I've had trouble sometimes getting it to popup the "auto-fill" but otherwise it works very slick (supporting biometric unlock too).

rcarmo 5y ago
Bitwarden doesn't do iCloud sync to iOS, or does it? (didn't when I had a look at it a while back).
- bussierem 5y ago
  I do not have an iPhone so I am not sure, sorry!
- ripply 5y ago
  No the vault is not able to be a local vault but you can self host your vault on your own server and it uses secure remote password for logging in just like 1password. It also has end to end encryption for the vault. The only way for your vault to get compromised is through a server compromise and brute forcing your password, due to how SRP works, even if DNS was taken over and someone intercepted your login request it’s not possible to derive anything about your password and the client would detect that the remote doesn’t actually have the vault. Even if they man in the middled the login they can’t learn about your password or get access to your encrypted vault.
room505 5y ago
Does Bitwarden's desktop application use Electron? Edit: Okay, it sounds like from the comments, it does use Electron. Then my followup question is, if people are upset with 1Password moving in this direction, then Bitwarden would not be a good alternative, no?
- mcyukon 5y ago
  Yes, from their Github page "The Bitwarden desktop app is written using Electron and Angular. The application installs on Windows, macOS, and Linux distributions."
- bussierem 5y ago
  It does, but I have yet to need it. I use the browser plugin for everything. If a desktop app needs a password, I just open the FF plugin and copy the password myself haha.
- kalleboo 5y ago
  It is, but on the Mac, one of the big selling points of 1Password was a nice, native UI. If that feature is gone, why use it over an open-source, self-hostable alternative?
  - pseudalopex 5y ago
    People attached to the nice native UI are looking for another nice native UI.
- jakebasile 5y ago
  I was paying extra ($36/y vs $10/y) for the native app 1Password provided. Why would I keep paying more now that AgileBits decided not to offer the feature I wanted?
Rebelgecko 5y ago
FWIW, my experience has been that Bitwarden's autofill is pretty bad compared to other password managers (I recently migrated from Lastpass, and used 1password in the past). I end up having to manually copy and paste a lot of passwords because the browser extension can't find the right fields.
- bussierem 5y ago
  Interesting, I've never had that issue on the browser. I HAVE noticed that if you open the plugin before the page finishes loading, it will error trying to fill the fields. In those cases I tend to just close the plugin and reopen it and it seems to work fine for me. No idea if your experience has been different, just a thought!
- neurostimulant 5y ago
  I had problem with lastpass' overly aggresive autofill and form detection system that seriously slow down any page that has a lot of input fields. I had a page with 500 input fields that I used semi-regularly at work to bulk update some configuration, and the slow down was so bad the page will be unresponsive for >5 minutes. It was the last straw that made me migrate bitwarden.

derimagia 5y ago

If anyone has the issue with Windows and it taking forever try uninstalling, wiping all your user data in AppData and then reinstalling. Worked for me at least after being extremely frustrated. I think they are converting the windows version to the same platform. Not saying it doesn't frustrate me with other things. I haven't used the Mac client in a while but I remember it being really good though

FreezerburnV 5y ago

My experience is the opposite for all of these points. I have no issues with auto-fill, I haven’t run into issues with duplicates for a while, unlocking doesn’t take forever anywhere. I don’t know about the move to trash button, it could be moved but I don’t recall it being that hard to get to. It’s really interesting to hear these differences in experience for the same product. I wonder why it’s happening? Gotta be something going on there.

djrogers 5y ago

Anecdata, but I've not experienced a single one of the issues you're seeing, and I use it across 2 Macs an iPhone and an iPad dozens of times a day.

lazzlazzlazz 5y ago
This is genuinely surprising to me. I've used 1Password for years across every browser on Android, iOS, Mac OS, and Windows, and the issues with autofill and saving on websites are consistent. You must be using it for only a few sites, only for apps — something.