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If these inbound states don’t manage their growth well, they will have the exact same problems California does: unaffordable housing, and homelessness. There ha
by notJim 5y ago
If these inbound states don’t manage their growth well, they will have the exact same problems California does: unaffordable housing, and homelessness. There have been many articles the last year about well-heeled migrants driving housing shortages wherever they move to. America’s terrible approach to housing production outside of a few select places is a huge a drag on our country.
- temp8964 5y ago> America’s terrible approach to housing production outside of a few select places is a huge a drag on our country. Not sure about that. The local mechanism to prevent housing expansion is kind of counter-productive, but there may be a rational for that. No matter you agree with it or not, suburban residents seem to enjoy their way of life and don’t want to have massive crowds move into their towns.
- closeparen 5y agoThe New Urbanist architects have an interesting take on this. Suburban residents like their private way of life. Their houses, yards, garages, etc. But they’re not so much into the surrounding public realm. The stroads, the strip malls, the freeway interchanges, the parking lots. So the thought of any intensification or extension of all that, freaks them out. It presents a hope, at least, that suburbanites could be won over with qualitatively better implementations of density, relative to the same development pattern but bigger and more intense.
- JohnWhigham 5y agoI don't bet on it happening in our lifetimes. Everyone alive now knows only the current suburban model, and people really don't like change with regards to zoning policy. Especially in Southern suburbs.
- notJim 5y agoIt's already happening. Not everywhere all at once, but it's happening. The idea that no American has ever experienced anything other than suburban housing is ludicrous.
- closeparen 5y agoI think a lot of people living in suburbia today remember, and are unhappy about, the disappearance of Main Street and the town square. A lot of that gets blamed on capitalism, developers, Walmart/Amazon, etc. but a decent part of it is required by planning codes.
- notJim 5y ago> don’t want to have massive crowds move into their towns. Unless you're proposing a China-style system of internal passport controls, there's no way to prevent this. NIMBYs are fighting the tides on this. People move where there are jobs and nice weather. In trying to hold back the ocean, NIMBYs create even more problems.
- temp8964 5y agoZoning law and economic mechanism can prevent this. Increasing housing price will stop new resident/business moving in.
- notJim 5y agoNot if the new residents can afford much higher prices than the locals. They’ll bid the available housing up to a point that locals can no longer afford it and some become homeless. This has happened in many places in the US.
- temp8964 5y agoIt won’t happen to existing home owners.
- labcomputer 5y agoOh, it will. What do you think will happen to the assessed value of the existing owners’ property after all the rich transplants buy up the neighborhood? What do you think that will do to their property tax? What do you think that will do to their ability to remain homeowners? And what about their children? They’ll be directly priced out.
- imtringued 5y agoI don't know why you are suggesting that the problem of having too many NYMBYs can be solved by having more of them.
- dragontamer 5y agoCalifornia's friendliness to homelessness and "hobo code" goes back over a century, and is an innate part of its culture. I don't think that's changing any time soon. IIRC, Jack London wrote about it. But I'm looking it up and it seems like maybe Jack London traveled the whole country as a hobo... so I'll have to double check. That was in the 1890s during one of the "great depressions". Homelessness vs Hobo-code will be an eternal fight. People want to help the homeless, but not so much that they come flocking into the city.
- notJim 5y agoThe point is about housing affordability, which drives homelessness. There's not some mystical force at play here, housing becomes too expensive, so some people can't afford it. The types of by-choice homeless people you're referring to are a tiny fraction of the homeless population.
- 908B64B197 5y ago> The types of by-choice homeless people you're referring to are a tiny fraction of the homeless population. And they are almost always invisible (by choice).