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Nah, just put a solar panel at the front of the ship. Free energy!!
by jsilence 5y ago
Nah, just put a solar panel at the front of the ship. Free energy!!
- nindalf 5y agoAnd use that energy to sustain the acceleration. Sounds like a perpetual motion machine!
- jsilence 5y agoTo boldly go where no one has gone before!
- ramraj07 5y agoYou need mass to accelerate. Not just electricity.
- anchpop 5y agoUnfortunately the photons hitting the solar panel at the front of your spaceship will slow you down by at least as much as you could turn them into thrust by shooting them out behind you (conservation of momentum) :(
- FeepingCreature 5y agoCould you collect photons from all around you and accelerate them out the back? There's no reason you have to place the solar panel at the front. Force would be negligible of course. But if you are in space, you are surrounded by energy in the form of starlight; it would be weird if that energy could not be used for work.
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- dogma1138 5y agoNo, “collecting” photons transfers momentum so at best if you have 100% conversion rate you won’t slow down, so you need a separate source for acceleration. Whilst photons hit your ship from all direction the photons incoming from the direction of travel would be shifted towards higher frequencies so their momentum would be higher than the photons hitting the ship from the opposite direction so unless there is a sufficient difference in the number of photons hitting you from the back to compensate for it you would still not be able to extract energy to move. This means that even say a solar sail has a limit on acceleration at a certain speed the photons hitting the front of the sail would be blue shifted enough to counteract the acceleration of photons hitting you from the back, even if you convert them to useful energy it wouldn’t matter since you’ll reach equilibrium.
- FeepingCreature 5y ago> No, “collecting” photons transfers momentum so at best if you have 100% conversion rate you won’t slow down, so you need a separate source for acceleration. Given 100% conversion rate you should getting energy via photovoltaic effect, so you use that to accelerate them. > Whilst photons hit your ship from all direction the photons incoming from the direction of travel would be shifted towards higher frequencies so their momentum would be higher than the photons hitting the ship from the opposite direction so unless there is a sufficient difference in the number of photons hitting you from the back to compensate for it you would still not be able to extract energy to move. But that's just "friction". Assuming a photonically uniform environment at rest, just buffer energy at rest, accelerate for a bit, goto 10. Eventually you'll get anywhere. (Assuming a non-uniform environment, you're probably close to a star, in which case gravity outweighs photon pressure anyway.)
- spaetzleesser 5y agoI remember reading about a design that basically works like this. It’s sucks up all the atoms in front of the ship and uses them for acceleration. I think there is also a book about this where such a ship has a problem which doesn’t allow it to slow down. So they just keep accelerating. Wish I could remember the name.