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I don't claim to have an ideal solution here, but to your point: There weren't highly-effective global distribution networks for CSAM "before the advent of the

I don't claim to have an ideal solution here, but to your point: There weren't highly-effective global distribution networks for CSAM "before the advent of the internet" either. This capability has created a market for these people to produce/obtain this material, and thus creates financial incentives for people to abuse children in this way more than in pre-internet times. There needs to be some way of combating this that can keep up with this growth curve, and that answer can't simply be to throw up our hands and say "the criminals will always win, so there's no solution worth doing".

dpkonofa 5y ago
This is a great response and covers what I think the crux of the issue is. Technology has exacerbated a problem and, rather than simply bow to that, they tried to come up with a solution. Whether that solution addresses the negatives of the problem without introducing other, worse negatives is to be seen. On paper, it feels like they have addressed the problem in a reasonable way if you trust that they want to make money while absolving themselves of liability. They can’t violate users’ privacy if they don’t have the ability to do so.
- tearfang 5y ago
  //they tried to come up with a solution.// ... they decided to spy on us ^there I fixed it for you. Making me total dictator would be a 'solution' too I mean something has to be done nothing else is working or could possibly work. Me for dictator- I promise to be benevolent, who can argue with that. At worst it is a thing reasonable ppl can disagree about. /s
bigfudge 5y ago
We should tackle this from the other end though. That there are children so abused and isolated whilst ignored by society is shameful. We need solutions that treat children as humans rather than a product or contraband.
- dpkonofa 5y ago
  This makes it sound like there aren’t entities out there who are interested in such solutions. If you have one that fulfills that need, I’m sure Apple and others are open to hearing it.
Dylan16807 5y ago
But I fail to see how icloud backups are a good place to tackle it. And I doubt this system, which looks for known files, is going to do very much to impact production.

dpkonofa 5y ago

This is a great response and covers what I think the crux of the issue is. Technology has exacerbated a problem and, rather than simply bow to that, they tried to come up with a solution. Whether that solution addresses the negatives of the problem without introducing other, worse negatives is to be seen. On paper, it feels like they have addressed the problem in a reasonable way if you trust that they want to make money while absolving themselves of liability. They can’t violate users’ privacy if they don’t have the ability to do so.

tearfang 5y ago
//they tried to come up with a solution.// ... they decided to spy on us ^there I fixed it for you. Making me total dictator would be a 'solution' too I mean something has to be done nothing else is working or could possibly work. Me for dictator- I promise to be benevolent, who can argue with that. At worst it is a thing reasonable ppl can disagree about. /s

bigfudge 5y ago

We should tackle this from the other end though. That there are children so abused and isolated whilst ignored by society is shameful. We need solutions that treat children as humans rather than a product or contraband.

dpkonofa 5y ago
This makes it sound like there aren’t entities out there who are interested in such solutions. If you have one that fulfills that need, I’m sure Apple and others are open to hearing it.

Dylan16807 5y ago

But I fail to see how icloud backups are a good place to tackle it. And I doubt this system, which looks for known files, is going to do very much to impact production.