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Something I'd missed before: "By design, this feature only applies to photos that the user chooses to upload to iCloud Photos" This is not about what people ha

Something I'd missed before: "By design, this feature only applies to photos that the user chooses to upload to iCloud Photos" This is not about what people have on their own phones. This is about what people are uploading to iCloud, because Apple does not want CSAM on their servers!

Hamuko 5y ago
If Apple didn't want CSAM on their servers, they'd implement it server-side on a worldwide basis, and not on the client-side for US clients.
- tpush 5y ago
  They explicitly don't want to implement it server-side due to the privacy concerns of decrypting every image in iCloud Photos. Doing it on-device limits Apple's possession of decrypted photos to those likely to be CSAM.
  - zwily 5y ago
    Apple can already decrypt your photos in iCloud - that’s how you can log in at iCloud.com and see them.
    - tpush 5y ago
      Of course they can; The point is that they don't want to if they don't need to.
- DavideNL 5y ago
  Apple obviously does not want CSAM on their servers. As the document states, they do not want to scan all images server-side for privacy reasons. They just want to flag the positives while keeping privacy standards as high as posible for everyone else.
- dspillett 5y ago
  Implementing it server-side would require the content to be on their servers to scan, doing it client-side reduces that risk (or, as they claim, don't want to do that for privacy reasons, or most likely a mix of both those two reasons).
amelius 5y ago
They should have thought about that before going in the cloud business. I mean, the amount of nastiness you'll find online is beyond belief. Just ask any person at FB who is tasked with reviewing posts.
fingerlocks 5y ago
> Something I'd missed before If you go back and read the earlier mega-threads, there were many people pointing this out and downvoted to oblivion. Hysteria is a helluva drug. For anyone concerned about the hypothetical framing attack via WhatsApp auto-saving, you can selectively control which apps have access to your photo library (and thus iCloud) in settings.
- falcolas 5y ago
  This is met with disbelief because of one simple fact: There is nothing that limits Apple from scanning other files, other than “we pinkie swear we won’t.” Corporations have a terrible record about breaking non-revenue-impacting pinkie swears. Breaking this one - especially when “what about the children” is involved - would have no meaningful impact on their revenue or share price, it could even go up.

Hamuko 5y ago

If Apple didn't want CSAM on their servers, they'd implement it server-side on a worldwide basis, and not on the client-side for US clients.

tpush 5y ago
They explicitly don't want to implement it server-side due to the privacy concerns of decrypting every image in iCloud Photos. Doing it on-device limits Apple's possession of decrypted photos to those likely to be CSAM.
- zwily 5y ago
  Apple can already decrypt your photos in iCloud - that’s how you can log in at iCloud.com and see them.
  - tpush 5y ago
    Of course they can; The point is that they don't want to if they don't need to.
DavideNL 5y ago
Apple obviously does not want CSAM on their servers. As the document states, they do not want to scan all images server-side for privacy reasons. They just want to flag the positives while keeping privacy standards as high as posible for everyone else.
dspillett 5y ago
Implementing it server-side would require the content to be on their servers to scan, doing it client-side reduces that risk (or, as they claim, don't want to do that for privacy reasons, or most likely a mix of both those two reasons).

amelius 5y ago

They should have thought about that before going in the cloud business. I mean, the amount of nastiness you'll find online is beyond belief. Just ask any person at FB who is tasked with reviewing posts.

fingerlocks 5y ago

> Something I'd missed before If you go back and read the earlier mega-threads, there were many people pointing this out and downvoted to oblivion. Hysteria is a helluva drug. For anyone concerned about the hypothetical framing attack via WhatsApp auto-saving, you can selectively control which apps have access to your photo library (and thus iCloud) in settings.

falcolas 5y ago
This is met with disbelief because of one simple fact: There is nothing that limits Apple from scanning other files, other than “we pinkie swear we won’t.” Corporations have a terrible record about breaking non-revenue-impacting pinkie swears. Breaking this one - especially when “what about the children” is involved - would have no meaningful impact on their revenue or share price, it could even go up.