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Does anyone know if there is a URL for Tim Berners-Lee's book "Weaving the Web", where it is accessible over HTTP? Not even talking about gratis open access, j

Does anyone know if there is a URL for Tim Berners-Lee's book "Weaving the Web", where it is accessible over HTTP? Not even talking about gratis open access, just whether or not the Web-of-documents vision is actually in practice for TimBL's book itself. Also not talking about a link to a storefront that sells it, or a promo site, or a faithfully reproduced but non-canonical link to a warez'd copy. Specifically asking here whether the book has a URL. This seems like a pretty basic OKR for grading progress of the Web vision, and yet it seems reasonable to think the answer is "no", which is incredibly ironic (but not shocking). It was surprising just now to find that there is not even a preview on Google Books, nor are you allowed to search inside it.

mattl 5y ago
https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/Weaving/ https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/Weaving/ It’s not great
- pwdisswordfish0 5y ago
  That's very obviously not a URL for the book. That's a URL for a promo site, i.e., one of the things explicitly listed as something not to reply with, since it's not an answer to the question being asked. "Specifically asking here whether the book has a URL." (Being a promo site, it is a place where we should expect the URL to be linked to, if it existed, but there is no such URL to be found on that page, hence the question...)
  - mattl 5y ago
    It’s the URL printed in the book.
    - pwdisswordfish0 5y ago
      Do you understand the relationship between questions and answers? You're answering a question no one asked. Why bother responding at all?
      - mattl 5y ago
        The book has a URL. You seem to want something else. Stop being an obtuse prick :)
        pwdisswordfish0 5y ago
        It's almost as if no one who buys that book and is in the middle of reading it but forgets it on their desk one day is going to say, "I know, I'll visit https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/Weaving/ https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/Weaving/ and pick up reading where I left off." No matter how many inane replies you write (calling other people obtuse), it's not going to change the fact that you ignored the request and went ahead and posted a link to a marketing page, anyway. (As if, had it been the case that someone were actually looking for that page, they wouldn't have been able to find it in 5 seconds just like you did.) One can only imagine that you're the kind of person who spends their days reading half the words in an email, support ticket, or StackOverflow question, comprehending none of what the actual message is but convincing yourself you've got a handle on it, and then closing them by the dozen with some non-resolution while exclaiming "SOLVED!" and patting yourself on the back at the end of the day for a job well done.
        mattl 5y ago
        Twat
bmn__ 5y ago
To the exact questions you asked, the answer is mu because of <https://www.w3.org/TR/uri-clarification/ https://www.w3.org/TR/uri-clarification/>. Correcting for the intention: yes, books are easy to identify! <https://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-formal/isbn https://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-formal/isbn> You also want to able to dereference. I edited my DOM copy of your comment to add the hyperlink <a href="urn:isbn:9780062515872"> to the book's name, then clicked it. Firefox prompted me to pick a local executable. ISTR Netscape used to handle this a bit more gracefully. It is perfectly okay that not every UA implements every conceivable scheme, the particularities of the failure do not diminish the idea of the Web. I happen to know archivists and librarians. They use specialised information systems that are not part of the Web. There does not seem to be an urgent need to uplift the legacy. IMO the grade is not "no", but "the foundations are there ready to be built upon".
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mattl 5y ago

https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/Weaving/ https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/Weaving/ It’s not great

pwdisswordfish0 5y ago
That's very obviously not a URL for the book. That's a URL for a promo site, i.e., one of the things explicitly listed as something not to reply with, since it's not an answer to the question being asked. "Specifically asking here whether the book has a URL." (Being a promo site, it is a place where we should expect the URL to be linked to, if it existed, but there is no such URL to be found on that page, hence the question...)
- mattl 5y ago
  It’s the URL printed in the book.
  - pwdisswordfish0 5y ago
    Do you understand the relationship between questions and answers? You're answering a question no one asked. Why bother responding at all?
    - mattl 5y ago
      The book has a URL. You seem to want something else. Stop being an obtuse prick :)
      - pwdisswordfish0 5y ago
        It's almost as if no one who buys that book and is in the middle of reading it but forgets it on their desk one day is going to say, "I know, I'll visit https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/Weaving/ https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/Weaving/ and pick up reading where I left off." No matter how many inane replies you write (calling other people obtuse), it's not going to change the fact that you ignored the request and went ahead and posted a link to a marketing page, anyway. (As if, had it been the case that someone were actually looking for that page, they wouldn't have been able to find it in 5 seconds just like you did.) One can only imagine that you're the kind of person who spends their days reading half the words in an email, support ticket, or StackOverflow question, comprehending none of what the actual message is but convincing yourself you've got a handle on it, and then closing them by the dozen with some non-resolution while exclaiming "SOLVED!" and patting yourself on the back at the end of the day for a job well done.
        mattl 5y ago
        Twat

bmn__ 5y ago

To the exact questions you asked, the answer is mu because of <https://www.w3.org/TR/uri-clarification/ https://www.w3.org/TR/uri-clarification/>. Correcting for the intention: yes, books are easy to identify! <https://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-formal/isbn https://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-formal/isbn> You also want to able to dereference. I edited my DOM copy of your comment to add the hyperlink <a href="urn:isbn:9780062515872"> to the book's name, then clicked it. Firefox prompted me to pick a local executable. ISTR Netscape used to handle this a bit more gracefully. It is perfectly okay that not every UA implements every conceivable scheme, the particularities of the failure do not diminish the idea of the Web. I happen to know archivists and librarians. They use specialised information systems that are not part of the Web. There does not seem to be an urgent need to uplift the legacy. IMO the grade is not "no", but "the foundations are there ready to be built upon".

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