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As far I’m aware this is an American thing. I’m from Finland (no vaccine pass yet) but travelling in Germany/Austria right now. They have the concept of 3G (don

As far I’m aware this is an American thing. I’m from Finland (no vaccine pass yet) but travelling in Germany/Austria right now. They have the concept of 3G (don’t ask me to translate) but basically you can’t eat, drink or stay anywhere without either a vaccine, recovery or negative test. There is a pop up antigen test facility about 100m from the restaurant where anyone can go get a quick negative result and go do their thing for a set period of time. I’m conflicted on this given the inaccuracy of the antigen tests. I’m currently sat in a restaurant typing this message, and have been served food and drink and yet to be asked to verify my EU certificate of vaccination. So your mileage may vary.

ithkuil 5y ago
Most of the pushback I hear here (Italy) about the ability to just get tested as an alternative to vaccine certification is the cost. It's perceived as a tax on the freedom to not vaccinate.
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- deanclatworthy 5y ago
  I just looked it up. Where I'm staying the tests are 57e, you do it yourself, and get a result within 20mins which is valid for 24h. That definitely is a high cost.
  - mejutoco 5y ago
    Probably as a tourist it is different? I live in Germany and you can get an antigen test for free per day. They are valid for 24 hours, so it costs 0€ To get tested for any event.
    - ithkuil 5y ago
      In Italy they are not free, not even if you're a resident. I think the system is explicitly designed to create inconvenience for those who decide not to vaccinate. IIRC Germany has a strong culture on trying to not force things on people; not sure if that's really true, but it's certainly brought as an example here in Italy.
      - mejutoco 5y ago
        In Germany it is being mentioned now, to make them non free, exactly for the reason you mention. But until now it has been free. Also it is a source of income for the places performing the tests (from the government). For instance, many clubs were adapted into testing points.
- mmcnl 5y ago
  The cost is not only in money, but also in time, and requiring more upfront planning. Legitimate concern imo.
maxerickson 5y ago
To a first approximation, the American thing is to not have any requirements for entry. There's a few employers and cities departing from that policy.

ithkuil 5y ago

Most of the pushback I hear here (Italy) about the ability to just get tested as an alternative to vaccine certification is the cost. It's perceived as a tax on the freedom to not vaccinate.

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deanclatworthy 5y ago
I just looked it up. Where I'm staying the tests are 57e, you do it yourself, and get a result within 20mins which is valid for 24h. That definitely is a high cost.
- mejutoco 5y ago
  Probably as a tourist it is different? I live in Germany and you can get an antigen test for free per day. They are valid for 24 hours, so it costs 0€ To get tested for any event.
  - ithkuil 5y ago
    In Italy they are not free, not even if you're a resident. I think the system is explicitly designed to create inconvenience for those who decide not to vaccinate. IIRC Germany has a strong culture on trying to not force things on people; not sure if that's really true, but it's certainly brought as an example here in Italy.
    - mejutoco 5y ago
      In Germany it is being mentioned now, to make them non free, exactly for the reason you mention. But until now it has been free. Also it is a source of income for the places performing the tests (from the government). For instance, many clubs were adapted into testing points.
mmcnl 5y ago
The cost is not only in money, but also in time, and requiring more upfront planning. Legitimate concern imo.

maxerickson 5y ago

To a first approximation, the American thing is to not have any requirements for entry. There's a few employers and cities departing from that policy.