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EU guy here, curious how this is received in US. Can someone who donated to Trumps after-election campaign tell me what he/she feels about this? Partisan shena

by zibzab 5y ago

EU guy here, curious how this is received in US. Can someone who donated to Trumps after-election campaign tell me what he/she feels about this? Partisan shenanigans or a generally good idea?

bluejekyll 5y ago
Both parties do it. IMO this should absolutely be banned. Also the donation checkboxes are not always clear as to if they are enabled or disabled. This is definitely a non-partisan issue of politicians straight up trying to trick people into donating more than they intend.
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- sokoloff 5y ago
  I think the 1-click donations should also be banned. I recall getting a solicitation from one of the two major parties with a “click here to support Foo” button in the email. Fine print at the bottom revealed that if you had a payment method on file that click would, without further action, donate some set amount to candidate Foo. (I don’t recall the details of the amount.) I’m fine with fundraising, but “click here to support” I expect to land me on a web page where I could read more and make a fully informed decision to donate, not to take money out of my account from the email click.
  - meepmorp 5y ago
    That's incredibly shady. I bet I've made an informed choice to donate to a candidate or two because I've fat fingered a link while reading email on my phone.
  - hansvm 5y ago
    How does that work in an era of email clients opening all contained links to check for viruses and whatnot?
meepmorp 5y ago
This is just a politics-oriented variant of a "growth hack." It's not about the ideology, it's about roping people into giving them money they didn't really intended to spend, with what is basically adding a subscription service they hope you don't notice. Yes, ban it to death.
SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
I think you're misunderstanding how bad the general state of political fundraising in the US is. Just over the past week, I've gotten: * An email titled "watch our video [not asking for money]" which links to a request for money * _two_ people - one from each side of the aisle - trying to gaslight me into donating "again" since I've purportedly already joined their campaign * a fake survey where every prompt is some variation on "Did you know how vile those guys are?" and the only response options are "Yes, they suck" or "No, but I know now". * an email written to sound like a personal letter, assuring me that some state legislators will be unjustly imprisoned if I don't sign a petition, but reveals upon clicking into the petition that they also need to collect $2,084 by midnight. (I only personally need to send $16 - it's "today's most popular amount!") And I've only ever made a single political donation from my current email! I don't think it's partisan at all to say the status quo isn't okay here.
- wiseleo 5y ago
  Let's not forget "official poll" emails that aren't. I have no way of knowing if I am being polled or solicited. Hence, my voice is now excluded from political polls.
syshum 5y ago
I dont donate to PAC's or campaigns.. However I have a problem with pretty much all FEC regulations because I am a free speech absolutist, and I view these "campaign finance laws" at minimum to be a spiritual infringement on the principle of free expression even if they pass legal challenges. They also rares accomplish their stated goals and often end up being an advantage to the incumbents in power who have access to more "free media" as part of their official duties...

by zibzab 5y ago

EU guy here, curious how this is received in US. Can someone who donated to Trumps after-election campaign tell me what he/she feels about this? Partisan shenanigans or a generally good idea?

bluejekyll 5y ago

Both parties do it. IMO this should absolutely be banned. Also the donation checkboxes are not always clear as to if they are enabled or disabled. This is definitely a non-partisan issue of politicians straight up trying to trick people into donating more than they intend.

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sokoloff 5y ago
I think the 1-click donations should also be banned. I recall getting a solicitation from one of the two major parties with a “click here to support Foo” button in the email. Fine print at the bottom revealed that if you had a payment method on file that click would, without further action, donate some set amount to candidate Foo. (I don’t recall the details of the amount.) I’m fine with fundraising, but “click here to support” I expect to land me on a web page where I could read more and make a fully informed decision to donate, not to take money out of my account from the email click.
- meepmorp 5y ago
  That's incredibly shady. I bet I've made an informed choice to donate to a candidate or two because I've fat fingered a link while reading email on my phone.
- hansvm 5y ago
  How does that work in an era of email clients opening all contained links to check for viruses and whatnot?

meepmorp 5y ago

This is just a politics-oriented variant of a "growth hack." It's not about the ideology, it's about roping people into giving them money they didn't really intended to spend, with what is basically adding a subscription service they hope you don't notice. Yes, ban it to death.

SpicyLemonZest 5y ago

I think you're misunderstanding how bad the general state of political fundraising in the US is. Just over the past week, I've gotten: * An email titled "watch our video [not asking for money]" which links to a request for money * _two_ people - one from each side of the aisle - trying to gaslight me into donating "again" since I've purportedly already joined their campaign * a fake survey where every prompt is some variation on "Did you know how vile those guys are?" and the only response options are "Yes, they suck" or "No, but I know now". * an email written to sound like a personal letter, assuring me that some state legislators will be unjustly imprisoned if I don't sign a petition, but reveals upon clicking into the petition that they also need to collect $2,084 by midnight. (I only personally need to send $16 - it's "today's most popular amount!") And I've only ever made a single political donation from my current email! I don't think it's partisan at all to say the status quo isn't okay here.

wiseleo 5y ago
Let's not forget "official poll" emails that aren't. I have no way of knowing if I am being polled or solicited. Hence, my voice is now excluded from political polls.

syshum 5y ago

I dont donate to PAC's or campaigns.. However I have a problem with pretty much all FEC regulations because I am a free speech absolutist, and I view these "campaign finance laws" at minimum to be a spiritual infringement on the principle of free expression even if they pass legal challenges. They also rares accomplish their stated goals and often end up being an advantage to the incumbents in power who have access to more "free media" as part of their official duties...