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Are students really being driven to film or are there just enough people who want to be in film that they will do and try anything to succeed in it, no matter w

Are students really being driven to film or are there just enough people who want to be in film that they will do and try anything to succeed in it, no matter what it costs? I have a really hard time believing Columbia made a credible argument that you can make a good salary in film.

mc32 5y ago
The loans for low demand majors should not be guaranteed and those students should be allowed to default. Majors in high demand and good with prospects can have guarantees. These can be re-evaluated periodically to adjust to demand.
- newbamboo 5y ago
  Put more simply, loans should not be given out when there is a low chance they can be repayed. The term is “loan shark”. That this disproportionally enslaves minority and first generation college students makes it all the more outrageous.
- lumost 5y ago
  This would likely just lead to oversupply of in demand fields and schools creating shoddy majors. If everyone with a psych major switched to comp sci tomorrow one of two things would happen. 1) we’d have more engineers than we’d know what to do with - wages would collapse and companies would stop trying to conserve engineering time. Innovation would slow and we’d head back towards the days of J2EE etc. 2) universities would create fake versions of the majors that are guaranteed, but easy to pass and unlikely to lead to employment.
  - mc32 5y ago
    Presumably as CS or engineering oversupplied the market, loan guarantees would be removed and other majors in higher would get a boost instead.
    - lumost 5y ago
      Oversupply affects the current marginal negotiation power of employees. By the time loan guarantees are removed there can be massive gluts of workers who are locked into loans they can’t repay.
      - mc32 5y ago
        It couldn’t be worse than what we have now with kids going into dead end degrees and coming out loaded with debt that they can’t unload.
lumost 5y ago
The universities go out of their way to give this impression by presenting “success cases” and misleading statistics. Many of these students would rationally believe that studying “film” would lead to a shot in the film industry.
- itronitron 5y ago
  I highly recommend this video, where CaptainSparklez (one of the YT millionaires) discusses his decision to turn down an offer to pay 70K a year to get a CS degree in gaming (starts at the 15 minute mark). https://youtu.be/TexLwzN_PiU https://youtu.be/TexLwzN_PiU
ipaddr 5y ago
They never mention salary just the educational genres you could be studying. The way it is written I wouldn't think it was geared to studying hollywood movies nevermind a career. https://arts.columbia.edu/programs-study/ma-film-and-media-studies https://arts.columbia.edu/programs-study/ma-film-and-media-s... It does say: A few Teaching Assistantships are available. Student Service positions employ students as Programming Assistants and Research Assistants.

mc32 5y ago

The loans for low demand majors should not be guaranteed and those students should be allowed to default. Majors in high demand and good with prospects can have guarantees. These can be re-evaluated periodically to adjust to demand.

newbamboo 5y ago
Put more simply, loans should not be given out when there is a low chance they can be repayed. The term is “loan shark”. That this disproportionally enslaves minority and first generation college students makes it all the more outrageous.
lumost 5y ago
This would likely just lead to oversupply of in demand fields and schools creating shoddy majors. If everyone with a psych major switched to comp sci tomorrow one of two things would happen. 1) we’d have more engineers than we’d know what to do with - wages would collapse and companies would stop trying to conserve engineering time. Innovation would slow and we’d head back towards the days of J2EE etc. 2) universities would create fake versions of the majors that are guaranteed, but easy to pass and unlikely to lead to employment.
- mc32 5y ago
  Presumably as CS or engineering oversupplied the market, loan guarantees would be removed and other majors in higher would get a boost instead.
  - lumost 5y ago
    Oversupply affects the current marginal negotiation power of employees. By the time loan guarantees are removed there can be massive gluts of workers who are locked into loans they can’t repay.
    - mc32 5y ago
      It couldn’t be worse than what we have now with kids going into dead end degrees and coming out loaded with debt that they can’t unload.

lumost 5y ago

The universities go out of their way to give this impression by presenting “success cases” and misleading statistics. Many of these students would rationally believe that studying “film” would lead to a shot in the film industry.

itronitron 5y ago
I highly recommend this video, where CaptainSparklez (one of the YT millionaires) discusses his decision to turn down an offer to pay 70K a year to get a CS degree in gaming (starts at the 15 minute mark). https://youtu.be/TexLwzN_PiU https://youtu.be/TexLwzN_PiU

ipaddr 5y ago

They never mention salary just the educational genres you could be studying. The way it is written I wouldn't think it was geared to studying hollywood movies nevermind a career. https://arts.columbia.edu/programs-study/ma-film-and-media-studies https://arts.columbia.edu/programs-study/ma-film-and-media-s... It does say: A few Teaching Assistantships are available. Student Service positions employ students as Programming Assistants and Research Assistants.