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by desine 5y ago

no.

e67f70028a46fba 5y ago
Underrated post.
- unstatusthequo 5y ago
  Seriously? You’re right with him. Contributing to misery. Maybe you need to have a long COVID relative to understand the pain. Or a death in family or friends. Is your “freedom” worth others’ loss?
  - e67f70028a46fba 5y ago
    a relative suffered permanent disability due to the vax she’s young maybe you need to experience that to develop some humility
    - trhway 5y ago
      yes, given that the probability of getting infected for vaccinated people is about third of that of unvaccinated, and once infected vaccinated spread the virus the same as unvaccinated (discussed at length with the links for example here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28066844 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28066844), forcing vaccine upon low risk groups starts to looks like an immoral thing as it does nothing to prevent the spread (roughly speaking the Delta's R0 for vaccinated is the third of Delta's R0 for unvaccinated, i.e it is like the R0 of the original).
  - neither_color 5y ago
    Yes. Freedom isn't free. What you're seeing is a principled stance. We're running out of patience for nagging manipulative arguments.
  - halfjoking 5y ago
    I had longcovid for 14 months. I think the vaccine would hurt my robust immunity and I’ll never take it. If I lose my job that’s ok. If they make it mandatory I’ll flee to Russia. (assuming I see it coming before they restrict travel)
    - nonford150 5y ago
      This. My son had Covid-19; had effects for about 4 months. Better now and is unmasked. Why are we not talking about those with antibodies? Why is the only choice having the vaccine?
    - nl 5y ago
      > If they make it mandatory I’ll flee to Russia. I assume this is some kind of joke. But on the off chance it isn't, Russia is getting very strict on their vaccine requirements. Authorities in four Russian regions have made coronavirus vaccines mandatory this week for workers in retail, education and other service sectors, part of an effort to boost the country’s low immunization rates as COVID-19 infections continue to soar. https://apnews.com/article/europe-russia-coronavirus-pandemic-business-government-and-politics-d426c8260fb7a69e51bf84a4ad4c54f9 https://apnews.com/article/europe-russia-coronavirus-pandemi...
      - aakresearch 5y ago
        This will end up only as a boon for fake certificate dealers. Those born in USSR will know.
      - halfjoking 5y ago
        I'm only half joking - Russia is the leader in vaccine skepticism and still has the lowest vaccination rates. Even if certain regions mandate it for some workers, I think rates will remain low and people will oppose it. To be honest I'm not sure where to go. It's very hard to avoid the geopolitical arm of the US government - and the US government is hellbent on giving every man/woman/child the RNA shots. I'm not optimistic my life won't be ruined because of this vaccine.
unstatusthequo 5y ago
Science doesn’t apply to you either? Like helping the virus spread? Endanger yourself and family? Cool. But if you pass it on to anyone, you’re liable. How about that? Prepared for that? Have means to pay for care and long term effects? Economic damage to society? This site is so liberal except when it matters.
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- rolobio 5y ago
  I’ve helped viruses spread my entire life! I have literally never stopped breathing. I also touch doorknobs! This was considered normal two years ago, now it’s a sin.
- babesh 5y ago
  Science doesn’t apply to unstatusquo either? Like getting people to take vaccines that haven’t gone through long term trials? But if there are any side effects to the vaccine you’re liable unstatusquo. How about that? Prepared for that? Have the means to pay for care and long term effects? Economic damage to society? Wonder if the vaccine makers are willing to be liable? Nope. How about the federal government? Nope. unstatusquo, are you a taker? My brother in law died of a heart attack a day after getting the vaccine. No autopsy to see if the vaccine had anything to do with it. In fact they refused to do one. They really don’t want to know that there can be side effects. Weird that when my father died years ago, there was an autopsy. unstatusquo is so insistent except when it matters. How about you pay the family?
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- desine 5y ago
  That’s funny I thought liberal had some sort of synonymous root with freedom or liberty or choice.
  - sparrish 5y ago

no.

by desine 5y ago

no.

e67f70028a46fba 5y ago

Underrated post.

unstatusthequo 5y ago
Seriously? You’re right with him. Contributing to misery. Maybe you need to have a long COVID relative to understand the pain. Or a death in family or friends. Is your “freedom” worth others’ loss?
- e67f70028a46fba 5y ago
  a relative suffered permanent disability due to the vax she’s young maybe you need to experience that to develop some humility
  - trhway 5y ago
    yes, given that the probability of getting infected for vaccinated people is about third of that of unvaccinated, and once infected vaccinated spread the virus the same as unvaccinated (discussed at length with the links for example here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28066844 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28066844), forcing vaccine upon low risk groups starts to looks like an immoral thing as it does nothing to prevent the spread (roughly speaking the Delta's R0 for vaccinated is the third of Delta's R0 for unvaccinated, i.e it is like the R0 of the original).
- neither_color 5y ago
  Yes. Freedom isn't free. What you're seeing is a principled stance. We're running out of patience for nagging manipulative arguments.
- halfjoking 5y ago
  I had longcovid for 14 months. I think the vaccine would hurt my robust immunity and I’ll never take it. If I lose my job that’s ok. If they make it mandatory I’ll flee to Russia. (assuming I see it coming before they restrict travel)
  - nonford150 5y ago
    This. My son had Covid-19; had effects for about 4 months. Better now and is unmasked. Why are we not talking about those with antibodies? Why is the only choice having the vaccine?
  - nl 5y ago
    > If they make it mandatory I’ll flee to Russia. I assume this is some kind of joke. But on the off chance it isn't, Russia is getting very strict on their vaccine requirements. Authorities in four Russian regions have made coronavirus vaccines mandatory this week for workers in retail, education and other service sectors, part of an effort to boost the country’s low immunization rates as COVID-19 infections continue to soar. https://apnews.com/article/europe-russia-coronavirus-pandemic-business-government-and-politics-d426c8260fb7a69e51bf84a4ad4c54f9 https://apnews.com/article/europe-russia-coronavirus-pandemi...
    - aakresearch 5y ago
      This will end up only as a boon for fake certificate dealers. Those born in USSR will know.
    - halfjoking 5y ago
      I'm only half joking - Russia is the leader in vaccine skepticism and still has the lowest vaccination rates. Even if certain regions mandate it for some workers, I think rates will remain low and people will oppose it. To be honest I'm not sure where to go. It's very hard to avoid the geopolitical arm of the US government - and the US government is hellbent on giving every man/woman/child the RNA shots. I'm not optimistic my life won't be ruined because of this vaccine.

unstatusthequo 5y ago

Science doesn’t apply to you either? Like helping the virus spread? Endanger yourself and family? Cool. But if you pass it on to anyone, you’re liable. How about that? Prepared for that? Have means to pay for care and long term effects? Economic damage to society? This site is so liberal except when it matters.

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rolobio 5y ago
I’ve helped viruses spread my entire life! I have literally never stopped breathing. I also touch doorknobs! This was considered normal two years ago, now it’s a sin.
babesh 5y ago
Science doesn’t apply to unstatusquo either? Like getting people to take vaccines that haven’t gone through long term trials? But if there are any side effects to the vaccine you’re liable unstatusquo. How about that? Prepared for that? Have the means to pay for care and long term effects? Economic damage to society? Wonder if the vaccine makers are willing to be liable? Nope. How about the federal government? Nope. unstatusquo, are you a taker? My brother in law died of a heart attack a day after getting the vaccine. No autopsy to see if the vaccine had anything to do with it. In fact they refused to do one. They really don’t want to know that there can be side effects. Weird that when my father died years ago, there was an autopsy. unstatusquo is so insistent except when it matters. How about you pay the family?
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desine 5y ago
That’s funny I thought liberal had some sort of synonymous root with freedom or liberty or choice.
- sparrish 5y ago