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Electric vehicle sales outpace diesel again

35 points by underscore_ku 5y ago

thedrbrian 5y ago
I’m sure people are doing this out of pure altruism and not for the massive tax/BIK savings that the government have set up https://www.parkers.co.uk/car-tax/advice/bik-changes-for-plug-in-hybrid-and-electric-cars/ https://www.parkers.co.uk/car-tax/advice/bik-changes-for-plu...
- pjerem 5y ago
  And that’s totally ok. Taxes are one of the tool a government can use to lean towards societal goals.
  - walshemj 5y ago
    Tax breaks for rich middle class people :-) As with solar power used to be, our solar installation is guaranteed an 8% roi for 20 years plus the advantage of the power we generate
    - cogman10 5y ago
      Is there any tax break that doesn't benefit the rich/middle class? That's sort of the nature of tax breaks.
      - walshemj 5y ago
        I should have said really only benefits the rich/middle class.
- junon 5y ago
  Alas, that's what taxes should be used for :)
- ljf 5y ago
  I for one am really pleased that those cars will enter the used car market soon - yes the benefits hit one group today, but soon that will be spread further.
  - Tagbert 5y ago
    This gets more EVs into the market, builds demand, and once these are cars go on the used market, ensures more, cheaper EVs for people who can’t afford a new car.
    - squarefoot 5y ago
      Also the used market should help bring down the new ones prices for being comparatively in better condition than combustion ones with the same age. It's probably too early to build any significant statistics, but electric engines should last a lot more than combustion ones, therefore a well treated used electric car would probably just need a new set of batteries and tires even after hundreds thousands of Km.
- r00fus 5y ago
  Tax policy is public policy. If a government has a desire to deal with climate change, the best way to entice/force industry and consumers to take action is to bake those initiatives into tax policy.
abeetje 5y ago
Good! Find me an affordable electric vehicle that can get me to work and back home on a single charge (360km) even in the winter, and I'd be down. But alas, I have yet to find one, so I'm currently looking at a diesel and hopefully can trade that one in for an electric one in a couple of years (thanks to the innovation in batteries that the current purchasers stimulate).
- nharada 5y ago
  Dang that's a brutal commute
  - underscore_ku 5y ago
    he's lying
- cogman10 5y ago
  That's quite the commute! A tesla model 3 long range can certainly do that sort of trip, but it's somewhat expensive ($50,000 USD). The standard range version MIGHT be able to hit it, but it'd be close. This is where I wish more work garages would prioritize having charging installed. It'd also help with people that live in apartments.
- thescriptkiddie 5y ago
  Have you considered moving closer to work?
  - Scoundreller 5y ago
    Or charging infra at work.
- Tagbert 5y ago
  Have you considered a hybrid? It should give you the long range but generate much less CO2 and particulates than a diesel.
- KptMarchewa 5y ago
fattybob 5y ago
These kind if arguments are kinda senseless, I imagine the driver refuels on the journey / breaks the journey in some way, but, it seems the UK north of London probably does need a lot more charging options on the road. Personally, I would still be using a diesel in the north of the Uk too, but I’m hoping I won’t need to do soon!
fattybob 5y ago
As for taxation, don’t worry, soon enough they will be taxing electricity used to charge vehicles! Just take a look at the different tax rates on diesel for public vs farm utility ! - I’m assuming it still differs significantly (I’m living overseas, but planning a return home)

35 points by underscore_ku 5y ago

I’m sure people are doing this out of pure altruism and not for the massive tax/BIK savings that the government have set up https://www.parkers.co.uk/car-tax/advice/bik-changes-for-plug-in-hybrid-and-electric-cars/ https://www.parkers.co.uk/car-tax/advice/bik-changes-for-plu...

pjerem 5y ago
And that’s totally ok. Taxes are one of the tool a government can use to lean towards societal goals.
- walshemj 5y ago
  Tax breaks for rich middle class people :-) As with solar power used to be, our solar installation is guaranteed an 8% roi for 20 years plus the advantage of the power we generate
  - cogman10 5y ago
    Is there any tax break that doesn't benefit the rich/middle class? That's sort of the nature of tax breaks.
    - walshemj 5y ago
      I should have said really only benefits the rich/middle class.
junon 5y ago
Alas, that's what taxes should be used for :)
ljf 5y ago
I for one am really pleased that those cars will enter the used car market soon - yes the benefits hit one group today, but soon that will be spread further.
- Tagbert 5y ago
  This gets more EVs into the market, builds demand, and once these are cars go on the used market, ensures more, cheaper EVs for people who can’t afford a new car.
  - squarefoot 5y ago
    Also the used market should help bring down the new ones prices for being comparatively in better condition than combustion ones with the same age. It's probably too early to build any significant statistics, but electric engines should last a lot more than combustion ones, therefore a well treated used electric car would probably just need a new set of batteries and tires even after hundreds thousands of Km.
r00fus 5y ago
Tax policy is public policy. If a government has a desire to deal with climate change, the best way to entice/force industry and consumers to take action is to bake those initiatives into tax policy.

abeetje 5y ago

Good! Find me an affordable electric vehicle that can get me to work and back home on a single charge (360km) even in the winter, and I'd be down. But alas, I have yet to find one, so I'm currently looking at a diesel and hopefully can trade that one in for an electric one in a couple of years (thanks to the innovation in batteries that the current purchasers stimulate).

nharada 5y ago
Dang that's a brutal commute
- underscore_ku 5y ago
  he's lying
cogman10 5y ago
That's quite the commute! A tesla model 3 long range can certainly do that sort of trip, but it's somewhat expensive ($50,000 USD). The standard range version MIGHT be able to hit it, but it'd be close. This is where I wish more work garages would prioritize having charging installed. It'd also help with people that live in apartments.
thescriptkiddie 5y ago
Have you considered moving closer to work?
- Scoundreller 5y ago
  Or charging infra at work.
Tagbert 5y ago
Have you considered a hybrid? It should give you the long range but generate much less CO2 and particulates than a diesel.
KptMarchewa 5y ago

fattybob 5y ago

These kind if arguments are kinda senseless, I imagine the driver refuels on the journey / breaks the journey in some way, but, it seems the UK north of London probably does need a lot more charging options on the road. Personally, I would still be using a diesel in the north of the Uk too, but I’m hoping I won’t need to do soon!

fattybob 5y ago

As for taxation, don’t worry, soon enough they will be taxing electricity used to charge vehicles! Just take a look at the different tax rates on diesel for public vs farm utility ! - I’m assuming it still differs significantly (I’m living overseas, but planning a return home)