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> Immigration Minister Kris Faafoi told reporters Page had applied for a medical exemption Is the healthcare system in New Zealand better than the states?

sesutton 5y ago
He was in Fiji.
- rasz 5y ago
  which is right next to Australia with wide open borders and almost 1 million visits per month clocked in January 2020 https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-transport/overseas-arrivals-and-departures-australia/jan-2020 https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-trans... EDIT : wrong year! https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-transport/overseas-arrivals-and-departures-australia/jan-2021 https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-trans... borders open, ~8K arrivals. 1h flight time difference between Auckland and Sydney.
  - ghiculescu 5y ago
    Australia’s borders are currently very closed.
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  - OnlyLys 5y ago
    > January 2020 May I know what the significance of January 2020 is? Isn't that before Australia closed their borders?
  - _ph_ 5y ago
    And how many visits Fiji had since the pandemic struck? As far as I know, they closed their borders entirely.
  - cavisne 5y ago
    Wide open borders… in January 2020. Hmm did anything happen in February 2020?
    - rasz 5y ago
      I dont know what happened in February, what I do know however is: >the billionaire and one of his children were granted access to New Zealand in January
      - cavisne 5y ago
        January 2021 , again Australian borders are not wide open, nowhere near it. You are comparing a pre covid period.
        rasz 5y ago
        doh! https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-transport/overseas-arrivals-and-departures-australia/jan-2021 https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-trans... ~8K
wjp3 5y ago
He's been isolating on an island in Fiji since last summer.
- paganel 5y ago
  If rumours are true and he and his family have been doing that because of Covid that is a very stupid strategy, especially coming from a billionaire. First of all because in medical emergencies you have to travel 1000+ miles to the closest decent hospital (or to the hospital that can save your child's life), even if you have the fastest jet always on call that takes time. And second, apart from living in the middle of Siberia [1] or in the Amazon jungle with literally no contact with anyone, believing that you won't get Covid in Fiji because it's more isolated is just a wrong premise. Unless they are airlifted all your supplies get, well, supplied to you via direct human contact, no matter how much you try just one small slip/moment of not paying attention can make the difference between being infected and not being infected. And if you do get infected it's better to be located close to a hospital, not literally on an island in the middle of the Pacific. Just bad decisions all around. [1] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/for-40-years-this-russian-family-was-cut-off-from-all-human-contact-unaware-of-world-war-ii-7354256/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/for-40-years-this-rus...
  - _ph_ 5y ago
    The pacific islands seem to have done rather well in preventing Covid to take hold. Because they basically closed all borders early on. Fiji seems to have gotten quickly rid of covid with the first wave and ever since had no cases. Besides Fiji being said to be an overall nice place to be in, it certainly was pleseant as there were no restrictions for those on the island.
    - ianhawes 5y ago
      I am of the opinion that they are delaying the inevitable considering the likelihood that COVID-19 will be with us for the next decade.
      - 5y ago
capableweb 5y ago
> Is the healthcare system in New Zealand better than the states? Most western countries have better healthcare system than the US, New Zealand included. - US comes in last in health care rankings of high-income countries - https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/04/health/us-health-care-rankings/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/04/health/us-health-care-ran... - Health Care in the U.S. Compared to Other High-Income Countries - https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2021/aug/mirror-mirror-2021-reflecting-poorly https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2...
- ceilingcorner 5y ago
  This is for the average person. For the super rich, America or Japan are probably the places to get top medical care.
  - dagw 5y ago
    The rich will just go to whatever country happens to have the best person to treat the thing they need treating. Had a colleague whose wife worked at a Swedish hospital and she had patients from all over the world, not because the Swedish health system or even that hospital was particularly fantastic, but because she was one of the top people in the world in this one very niche thing.
  - renerthr 5y ago
    As the other commenter said, 'The rich will just go to whatever country happens to have the best person to treat the thing they need treating'. Now, out of all developed countries, why did you mention Japan? IIRC, Japan produces little medical research compared to the UK or even Germany.
  - fomine3 5y ago
    Japan isn't great about excellent expensive medical care outside of insurance.
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slumpt_ 5y ago
Most other developed nations have better healthcare systems.
dekhn 5y ago
no, but he's been seen hydrofoiling (presumably it's better there)

sesutton 5y ago

He was in Fiji.

rasz 5y ago
which is right next to Australia with wide open borders and almost 1 million visits per month clocked in January 2020 https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-transport/overseas-arrivals-and-departures-australia/jan-2020 https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-trans... EDIT : wrong year! https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-transport/overseas-arrivals-and-departures-australia/jan-2021 https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-trans... borders open, ~8K arrivals. 1h flight time difference between Auckland and Sydney.
- ghiculescu 5y ago
  Australia’s borders are currently very closed.
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- OnlyLys 5y ago
  > January 2020 May I know what the significance of January 2020 is? Isn't that before Australia closed their borders?
- _ph_ 5y ago
  And how many visits Fiji had since the pandemic struck? As far as I know, they closed their borders entirely.
- cavisne 5y ago
  Wide open borders… in January 2020. Hmm did anything happen in February 2020?
  - rasz 5y ago
    I dont know what happened in February, what I do know however is: >the billionaire and one of his children were granted access to New Zealand in January
    - cavisne 5y ago
      January 2021 , again Australian borders are not wide open, nowhere near it. You are comparing a pre covid period.
      - rasz 5y ago
        doh! https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-transport/overseas-arrivals-and-departures-australia/jan-2021 https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-trans... ~8K

wjp3 5y ago

He's been isolating on an island in Fiji since last summer.

paganel 5y ago
If rumours are true and he and his family have been doing that because of Covid that is a very stupid strategy, especially coming from a billionaire. First of all because in medical emergencies you have to travel 1000+ miles to the closest decent hospital (or to the hospital that can save your child's life), even if you have the fastest jet always on call that takes time. And second, apart from living in the middle of Siberia [1] or in the Amazon jungle with literally no contact with anyone, believing that you won't get Covid in Fiji because it's more isolated is just a wrong premise. Unless they are airlifted all your supplies get, well, supplied to you via direct human contact, no matter how much you try just one small slip/moment of not paying attention can make the difference between being infected and not being infected. And if you do get infected it's better to be located close to a hospital, not literally on an island in the middle of the Pacific. Just bad decisions all around. [1] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/for-40-years-this-russian-family-was-cut-off-from-all-human-contact-unaware-of-world-war-ii-7354256/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/for-40-years-this-rus...
- _ph_ 5y ago
  The pacific islands seem to have done rather well in preventing Covid to take hold. Because they basically closed all borders early on. Fiji seems to have gotten quickly rid of covid with the first wave and ever since had no cases. Besides Fiji being said to be an overall nice place to be in, it certainly was pleseant as there were no restrictions for those on the island.
  - ianhawes 5y ago
    I am of the opinion that they are delaying the inevitable considering the likelihood that COVID-19 will be with us for the next decade.
    - 5y ago

capableweb 5y ago

> Is the healthcare system in New Zealand better than the states? Most western countries have better healthcare system than the US, New Zealand included. - US comes in last in health care rankings of high-income countries - https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/04/health/us-health-care-rankings/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/04/health/us-health-care-ran... - Health Care in the U.S. Compared to Other High-Income Countries - https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2021/aug/mirror-mirror-2021-reflecting-poorly https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2...

ceilingcorner 5y ago
This is for the average person. For the super rich, America or Japan are probably the places to get top medical care.
- dagw 5y ago
  The rich will just go to whatever country happens to have the best person to treat the thing they need treating. Had a colleague whose wife worked at a Swedish hospital and she had patients from all over the world, not because the Swedish health system or even that hospital was particularly fantastic, but because she was one of the top people in the world in this one very niche thing.
- renerthr 5y ago
  As the other commenter said, 'The rich will just go to whatever country happens to have the best person to treat the thing they need treating'. Now, out of all developed countries, why did you mention Japan? IIRC, Japan produces little medical research compared to the UK or even Germany.
- fomine3 5y ago
  Japan isn't great about excellent expensive medical care outside of insurance.
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slumpt_ 5y ago

Most other developed nations have better healthcare systems.

dekhn 5y ago

no, but he's been seen hydrofoiling (presumably it's better there)