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This is a moot point unless you always verify and check all hardware and software that you use, including communications devices.

marderfarker2 5y ago
I don’t think that’s his point. The point is Apple made a laptop that did away technologies that allow PC ecosystem/choices we see today. The M1 MacBook feels like an iPhone, but sized as a laptop.
- gjulianm 5y ago
  AFAIK, the M1 is an ARM laptop and the Linux kernel already supports it. I also assume that it won't be too long until we see Bootcamp for M1 Macs. So I don't think that M1 or Intel changes anything in that regard.
- shawnz 5y ago
  I recently bought an M1 (my first and only Apple product so far). Anecdotally, I only bought it knowing that it can execute arbitrary code without restrictions, unlike iOS. If they decide to change that then you can be sure I won't be purchasing any future models.
- lallysingh 5y ago
  Importantly, it runs iOS games, which has otherwise been a weak point in the macos ecosystem.
- biztos 5y ago
  I bought the M1 Air and yes, it feels like an iPhone, but sized as a retro-ish laptop and able to run a dev stack which Apple still won't let me do on my plenty powerful enough iPad.
fsflover 5y ago
You don't need to verify everything yourself. You can verify any small part and rely on the community to verify the rest. Or pay someone to verify. However, for all that you need verifiability, which Apple lacks.
- gjulianm 5y ago
  > You can verify any small part and rely on the community to verify the rest. Or pay someone to verify. The only difference in this is who you trust. Be it Apple, the community or someone you pay, you're still trusting that someone else's interests align with yours and they did things correctly. In other words, this is not a technical problem. It's a problem that needs to be solved through regulation, because 99% of the people can't verify by themselves that their devices are actually private and secure.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    > The only difference in this is who you trust. Not really. There is a huge difference between trusting a single for-profit entity (who provides backdoor to iCloud in China) or huge number of independent people (each would like to get famous/rich for finding bugs).
    - gjulianm 5y ago
      Yes, because the "huge number of independent people" have never missed any serious bugs or backdoor, and they also verify every piece of equipment you use.
      - fsflover 5y ago
        Nothing is ever perfectly secure. It's a question of whom you should trust for a lesser damage.
        zepto 5y ago
        Yes - and for most people trusting Apple is still a better option, because the ‘community’ option is literally just wishful thinking at this point.
        fsflover 5y ago
        Linux kernel AFAIK has less security issues than Apple. Qubes even less. Not sure what the reason for your insult is.
raxxorrax 5y ago
Not at all. Here we have a manufacturer that thinks he would be allowed to scan the contents of your machine. If you scan a machine, you can read everything on the machine.

marderfarker2 5y ago

I don’t think that’s his point. The point is Apple made a laptop that did away technologies that allow PC ecosystem/choices we see today. The M1 MacBook feels like an iPhone, but sized as a laptop.

gjulianm 5y ago
AFAIK, the M1 is an ARM laptop and the Linux kernel already supports it. I also assume that it won't be too long until we see Bootcamp for M1 Macs. So I don't think that M1 or Intel changes anything in that regard.
shawnz 5y ago
I recently bought an M1 (my first and only Apple product so far). Anecdotally, I only bought it knowing that it can execute arbitrary code without restrictions, unlike iOS. If they decide to change that then you can be sure I won't be purchasing any future models.
lallysingh 5y ago
Importantly, it runs iOS games, which has otherwise been a weak point in the macos ecosystem.
biztos 5y ago
I bought the M1 Air and yes, it feels like an iPhone, but sized as a retro-ish laptop and able to run a dev stack which Apple still won't let me do on my plenty powerful enough iPad.

fsflover 5y ago

You don't need to verify everything yourself. You can verify any small part and rely on the community to verify the rest. Or pay someone to verify. However, for all that you need verifiability, which Apple lacks.

gjulianm 5y ago
> You can verify any small part and rely on the community to verify the rest. Or pay someone to verify. The only difference in this is who you trust. Be it Apple, the community or someone you pay, you're still trusting that someone else's interests align with yours and they did things correctly. In other words, this is not a technical problem. It's a problem that needs to be solved through regulation, because 99% of the people can't verify by themselves that their devices are actually private and secure.
- fsflover 5y ago
  > The only difference in this is who you trust. Not really. There is a huge difference between trusting a single for-profit entity (who provides backdoor to iCloud in China) or huge number of independent people (each would like to get famous/rich for finding bugs).
  - gjulianm 5y ago
    Yes, because the "huge number of independent people" have never missed any serious bugs or backdoor, and they also verify every piece of equipment you use.
    - fsflover 5y ago
      Nothing is ever perfectly secure. It's a question of whom you should trust for a lesser damage.
      - zepto 5y ago
        Yes - and for most people trusting Apple is still a better option, because the ‘community’ option is literally just wishful thinking at this point.
        fsflover 5y ago
        Linux kernel AFAIK has less security issues than Apple. Qubes even less. Not sure what the reason for your insult is.

raxxorrax 5y ago

Not at all. Here we have a manufacturer that thinks he would be allowed to scan the contents of your machine. If you scan a machine, you can read everything on the machine.