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I also don't want to live in a world where I have to show my papers to participate in daily life. You know what I even want less? To live in a world where daily

by _ph_ 5y ago

I also don't want to live in a world where I have to show my papers to participate in daily life. You know what I even want less? To live in a world where daily life is implicitly restricted because there is a constant danger for me and others to get severely sick. And most western countries are still far to far from being highly vaccinated. If they were, we wouldn't need to ask for their vaccination status. Yes, long term we either manage to actually erradicate SARS-Cov-2 or at least reduce it to the group of all the other dangerous viruses we can deal with. If the vaccination rate is high enough. Think measels. They didn't ever go away, but for many years, they were not a problem. They are back due to too many people who think they can skip the vaccinations. And if you ever tried to go onto international, especially intercontinental travel, many countries require proof of vaccination against a variety of diseases.

timr 5y ago
> And most western countries are still far to far from being highly vaccinated. If they were, we wouldn't need to ask for their vaccination status. We're not talking about "most western countries"...we're talking about New York City, where 72% of the adult population has had at least one dose, and about 0.2% get another dose, every day: https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-vaccines.page https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-vaccines.p...
- _ph_ 5y ago
  The relevant number unfortunately is the percentage of the total population which got two shots. One shot is unfortunately no longer good enough against the delta variant. And for transmission, the whole population has to be counted in. And then the numbers might be 60% or less, which isn't quite enought to be a robust blocker against the delta variant. Without the variants, especially the delta one, the battle against SARS-Cov-2 might already be won, but the virus shifted the goalpost, so to say.
  - timr 5y ago
    66.3% of NYC adults are fully vaccinated as of today. And 0.2% are getting new shots every day (and have been for a while). It's all on the same page I linked.
    - _ph_ 5y ago
      Which clearly says that just 55% of the population got two shots. That matches well with what I said in my previous post. 45% of the population did not get two shots yet and can spread the virus unblocked. As the quickly climbing incidence numbers show.
      - timr 5y ago
        That's all ages, including those who cannot get vaccinated at this time. Of adults, the number is as I stated.
        _ph_ 5y ago
        That is equally right as irrelevant. For the transmission of the disease the total population counts. The virus doesn't distinguish between humans who can get vaccinated as by FDA decision and who not.

by _ph_ 5y ago

timr 5y ago

> And most western countries are still far to far from being highly vaccinated. If they were, we wouldn't need to ask for their vaccination status. We're not talking about "most western countries"...we're talking about New York City, where 72% of the adult population has had at least one dose, and about 0.2% get another dose, every day: https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-vaccines.page https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-vaccines.p...

_ph_ 5y ago
The relevant number unfortunately is the percentage of the total population which got two shots. One shot is unfortunately no longer good enough against the delta variant. And for transmission, the whole population has to be counted in. And then the numbers might be 60% or less, which isn't quite enought to be a robust blocker against the delta variant. Without the variants, especially the delta one, the battle against SARS-Cov-2 might already be won, but the virus shifted the goalpost, so to say.
- timr 5y ago
  66.3% of NYC adults are fully vaccinated as of today. And 0.2% are getting new shots every day (and have been for a while). It's all on the same page I linked.
  - _ph_ 5y ago
    Which clearly says that just 55% of the population got two shots. That matches well with what I said in my previous post. 45% of the population did not get two shots yet and can spread the virus unblocked. As the quickly climbing incidence numbers show.
    - timr 5y ago
      That's all ages, including those who cannot get vaccinated at this time. Of adults, the number is as I stated.
      - _ph_ 5y ago
        That is equally right as irrelevant. For the transmission of the disease the total population counts. The virus doesn't distinguish between humans who can get vaccinated as by FDA decision and who not.