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> You're somehow OK with being required to wear clothes, which provide almost no protection from anything, but not OK with being asked to show that you're an un

> You're somehow OK with being required to wear clothes, which provide almost no protection from anything, but not OK with being asked to show that you're an unlikely COVID carrier/spreader? So natural immunity should be included then? I hear all these arguments but then people pretend like natural immunity is not a thing. Sure maybe it isn’t as effective as a vaccine (though some argue it is better), but it definitely makes you at least unlikely to spread. I might believe this isn’t just a huge power grab and people are actually concerned with the health of individuals, if folks would acknowledge “the science” of natural immunity. Saying it isn’t as good as vaccine means nothing, because we are only trying to eliminate more likely spreaders, not any statistical chance of spreading.

nindalf 5y ago
I used to think natural immunity was a thing. Most people in India thought so too. Based on surveys, a majority of people in cities had been infected in the first wave of Covid in 2020. So confident in herd immunity was the Indian government that they were happily organising programs to give away vaccines to countries around the world, thinking it wasn’t necessary in India. As the events of April-July 2021 proved, the new variant ripped through a population that was supposed to have reached herd immunity. As it stands, 80%+ of people in major Indian cities have had an infection. Does that mean that covid will never bother India again? I’m guessing no.
- rubicon33 5y ago
  I think that speaks to the rapid evolution of the virus, more than to the lack of a natural immunity process. It's terrifying how quickly COVID has evolved, and given more time in the human species, it will evolve further. That's why the push for vaccination is so important. There's even people pushing for prophylactic use of other medications to completely stamp out COVID for the simple reason of - you do NOT want this virus evolving any more than it has.
rubicon33 5y ago
Absolutely. I firmly understand that natural immunity is as good, if not better, than the vaccine. The trouble is, how do you prove it? There are antibody tests that maybe are positive even months later? I'm not sure, honestly. The tricky part is just the recording of the matter, not the science behind it.
- mostertoaster 5y ago
  How does someone know if my fake vaccine card is a fake? How does someone know that even though I’m vaccinated I’m one of the very very small few who will have a breakthrough infection? We could probably do things to ensure these as well, but at what point do we just say “yep there is a risk”, and accept that risk as part of living life? I think there is a part where the principalities and powers that rule, actually want us to get so angry and divided. That is why things are forced, and mandated, rather than appealed to. One side gets mad that they ask, the other side doesn’t give a chance for the good natured to help voluntarily. There is no conspiracy of people plotting in a room coming up with how they can gain more power to take over the world (unless they’re two mice trying to do same thing night after night), but nonetheless there is a spirit of division and hatred that is very much present in our country that is tearing us apart.
  - rubicon33 5y ago
    > I think there is a part where the principalities and powers that rule, actually want us to get so angry and divided. Totally agree. > There is no conspiracy of people plotting in a room coming up with how they can gain more power to take over the world (unless they’re two mice trying to do same thing night after night), but nonetheless there is a spirit of division and hatred that is very much present in our country that is tearing us apart. Yup, there sure is and it's really disheartening to watch it unfold day after day. The country seems more divided than I've ever seen it in my 30ish years, and certainly more divided than rose colored glasses of past decades. It's a shame but, maybe it's also a sign of healthy country? Maybe united countries are also the ones that go to war and invade others?
    - 5y ago
XorNot 5y ago
Sure: if they can prove it. But since that's hard and expensive and there is no effective risk to a vaccine (particularly if you definitely are naturally immune, as it would be an antigen response your body is already mostly familiar with and not trigger any primary immune responses), we do the other thing. I am literally working with vaccination registry APIs right now which have an explicit system for registering and tracking natural immunity.
- mostertoaster 5y ago
  I’m glad to hear that natural immunity is considered. I might get one dose as a booster for my natural immunity, but not two. Regardless even if I got two, I will behave as if I had none, and will not go dining if they require proof of vaccination and whatever other things. I will never report someone for violating a vaccine mandate, or a mask mandate. Or if they forge their vaccine card. If they are knowingly sick, going out with a fever, and a cough in public places and essentially trying to get people sick, I will report them. Even if they’ve been vaccinated but “just” had the Flu. And that person exists by the way. People who essentially knew they had covid, were feeling symptoms, yet went to a party anyways. But I’m sure there is the person who proudly goes out with their vaccination card showing both doses sick with something else like the flu, judging those who have no symptoms of sickness but aren’t vaccinated also being out.
  - XorNot 5y ago
    > I might get one dose as a booster for my natural immunity, but not two. Why? This is basically you doing something random for absolutely no data supported reason.
    - disgruntledphd2 5y ago
      This was actually recommended by the Irish vaccination committee, as long as your infection was within the last 180 days and you actually had a seropositive Covid test.
    - mostertoaster 5y ago

nindalf 5y ago

I used to think natural immunity was a thing. Most people in India thought so too. Based on surveys, a majority of people in cities had been infected in the first wave of Covid in 2020. So confident in herd immunity was the Indian government that they were happily organising programs to give away vaccines to countries around the world, thinking it wasn’t necessary in India. As the events of April-July 2021 proved, the new variant ripped through a population that was supposed to have reached herd immunity. As it stands, 80%+ of people in major Indian cities have had an infection. Does that mean that covid will never bother India again? I’m guessing no.

rubicon33 5y ago
I think that speaks to the rapid evolution of the virus, more than to the lack of a natural immunity process. It's terrifying how quickly COVID has evolved, and given more time in the human species, it will evolve further. That's why the push for vaccination is so important. There's even people pushing for prophylactic use of other medications to completely stamp out COVID for the simple reason of - you do NOT want this virus evolving any more than it has.

rubicon33 5y ago

Absolutely. I firmly understand that natural immunity is as good, if not better, than the vaccine. The trouble is, how do you prove it? There are antibody tests that maybe are positive even months later? I'm not sure, honestly. The tricky part is just the recording of the matter, not the science behind it.

mostertoaster 5y ago
How does someone know if my fake vaccine card is a fake? How does someone know that even though I’m vaccinated I’m one of the very very small few who will have a breakthrough infection? We could probably do things to ensure these as well, but at what point do we just say “yep there is a risk”, and accept that risk as part of living life? I think there is a part where the principalities and powers that rule, actually want us to get so angry and divided. That is why things are forced, and mandated, rather than appealed to. One side gets mad that they ask, the other side doesn’t give a chance for the good natured to help voluntarily. There is no conspiracy of people plotting in a room coming up with how they can gain more power to take over the world (unless they’re two mice trying to do same thing night after night), but nonetheless there is a spirit of division and hatred that is very much present in our country that is tearing us apart.
- rubicon33 5y ago
  > I think there is a part where the principalities and powers that rule, actually want us to get so angry and divided. Totally agree. > There is no conspiracy of people plotting in a room coming up with how they can gain more power to take over the world (unless they’re two mice trying to do same thing night after night), but nonetheless there is a spirit of division and hatred that is very much present in our country that is tearing us apart. Yup, there sure is and it's really disheartening to watch it unfold day after day. The country seems more divided than I've ever seen it in my 30ish years, and certainly more divided than rose colored glasses of past decades. It's a shame but, maybe it's also a sign of healthy country? Maybe united countries are also the ones that go to war and invade others?
  - 5y ago

XorNot 5y ago

Sure: if they can prove it. But since that's hard and expensive and there is no effective risk to a vaccine (particularly if you definitely are naturally immune, as it would be an antigen response your body is already mostly familiar with and not trigger any primary immune responses), we do the other thing. I am literally working with vaccination registry APIs right now which have an explicit system for registering and tracking natural immunity.

mostertoaster 5y ago
I’m glad to hear that natural immunity is considered. I might get one dose as a booster for my natural immunity, but not two. Regardless even if I got two, I will behave as if I had none, and will not go dining if they require proof of vaccination and whatever other things. I will never report someone for violating a vaccine mandate, or a mask mandate. Or if they forge their vaccine card. If they are knowingly sick, going out with a fever, and a cough in public places and essentially trying to get people sick, I will report them. Even if they’ve been vaccinated but “just” had the Flu. And that person exists by the way. People who essentially knew they had covid, were feeling symptoms, yet went to a party anyways. But I’m sure there is the person who proudly goes out with their vaccination card showing both doses sick with something else like the flu, judging those who have no symptoms of sickness but aren’t vaccinated also being out.
- XorNot 5y ago
  > I might get one dose as a booster for my natural immunity, but not two. Why? This is basically you doing something random for absolutely no data supported reason.
  - disgruntledphd2 5y ago
    This was actually recommended by the Irish vaccination committee, as long as your infection was within the last 180 days and you actually had a seropositive Covid test.
  - mostertoaster 5y ago