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I wouldn't obsess over the design of Apple's "Sign up with Apple" button, if the default darkmode just applies an inverted filter (inverting Google's and Facebo

I wouldn't obsess over the design of Apple's "Sign up with Apple" button, if the default darkmode just applies an inverted filter (inverting Google's and Facebook's logo in addition to the UI), and paddings and margins are all over the place.

ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago
Someone else was complaining about Apple rejecting their app, over the Sign In With Apple feature. They cast it as “kafkaesque.” They showed a screengrab of their app, and they had altered the design of the button, by filling it with gray (I agree that Apple’s choices are fugly). The writer couldn’t understand why Apple kept rejecting their app, and Apple’s rejection reason was not helpful at all (we often need to read tea leaves to figure out why our apps were rejected. It’s because they have a limited selection of canned responses). Recoloring a branding element will definitely trigger a rejection. The Apple Brand is the most valuable brand in the world, and they won’t brook having it reinterpreted. No corporation would allow this, if they had a choice.
- dep_b 5y ago
  I remember Facebook doing the same if you wanted their stuff on your website. You can't make the Facebook button the same color as all of your other buttons.
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  The rejection reason was that the option did not exist. It was the very first option. Calling that Kafkaesque is fine, and there is no reason for you to act so smug.
  - ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago
    > there is no reason for you to act so smug. I'm not smug. I'm battle-scarred. I'll lay odds that I've had a lot more rejections than you have, and probably gotten a lot more pissed off at Apple. Being an experienced Apple developer (since 1986), means that I have been incandescent with rage at Apple -many times. All of us have. Apple can be a real pain to work with. I still develop for Apple, but I am not a "fanboi." BTW: The rejection reason says that, because it's canned. It covers a lot of areas. I have received many such vaguely-worded rejections, and had to figure out why they bounced the app. In a couple of cases, I have been able to get people on the horn (PROTIP: Don't be calling them "smug," and be polite, even though you want to throttle them), where they have explained the issue. [EDIT]: Also, branding is something that a lot of geeks don't understand, but it is very important (and valuable). Many of the seemingly insane moves by Apple are because they are building and/or protecting their brand. That "smugness" is actually a deliberate part of their brand. I don't think that it's a good idea for their fans to reflect it. In terms of branding, a corrupted branding element is exactly the same as no branding element (except it's legally actionable). Speaking of which, did anyone see this week's John Oliver show? I get the feeling that HBO is a bit peeved with Disney.
    - Dylan16807 5y ago
      > In a couple of cases, I have been able to get people on the horn (PROTIP: Don't be calling them "smug," and be polite, even though you want to throttle them), where they have explained the issue. > That "smugness" is actually a deliberate part of their brand. I wasn't calling Apple smug, though? I was calling your comment smug, because of 1. implying it's unreasonable to say "kafkaesque" despite Apple setting up a system where you need to "read tea leaves" instead of believing what they tell you, and 2. phrasing it as that they "couldn't understand" the problem. Your advice, as far as saying they use canned messages that merely resemble the actual problem, is very useful. But don't be mean to someone that doesn't know that. It's a major failing on Apple's part.
      - ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago
        > But don't be mean to someone that doesn't know that. I wasn't being mean, and I apologize for a poor choice of words. I love developing Apple software, and heartily support you in your endeavors. Please consider me an ally. I sincerely wish you luck, but Apple can definitely be ... interesting to work with.
        Dylan16807 5y ago
        I've never developed anything for Apple but I do thank you for that and hope the person having the problem can resolve things quickly.
        ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago
        Then I'd gently suggest doing a bit of research on what type of person I am, before immediately assuming that I am being mean. I'm a pretty decent chap. I understand that you are one of the most senior members of this community, and I certainly appreciate the work that y'all have done, trying to keep this from turning into an ugly community. I really (truly) appreciate the decorum here, and sincerely do my best to respect that. It is my goal to be a positive, contributing member here. I may be mistaken, but I do believe that I have some contributions to make, here. I may come across as a stuffy old fart, but that is a deliberate departure from my earlier days, when I was ... not that way.
tdjsnelling 5y ago
Right? A different colour border on the Apple button should be the least of OPs design concerns here...

ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago

Someone else was complaining about Apple rejecting their app, over the Sign In With Apple feature. They cast it as “kafkaesque.” They showed a screengrab of their app, and they had altered the design of the button, by filling it with gray (I agree that Apple’s choices are fugly). The writer couldn’t understand why Apple kept rejecting their app, and Apple’s rejection reason was not helpful at all (we often need to read tea leaves to figure out why our apps were rejected. It’s because they have a limited selection of canned responses). Recoloring a branding element will definitely trigger a rejection. The Apple Brand is the most valuable brand in the world, and they won’t brook having it reinterpreted. No corporation would allow this, if they had a choice.

dep_b 5y ago
I remember Facebook doing the same if you wanted their stuff on your website. You can't make the Facebook button the same color as all of your other buttons.
Dylan16807 5y ago
The rejection reason was that the option did not exist. It was the very first option. Calling that Kafkaesque is fine, and there is no reason for you to act so smug.
- ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago
  > there is no reason for you to act so smug. I'm not smug. I'm battle-scarred. I'll lay odds that I've had a lot more rejections than you have, and probably gotten a lot more pissed off at Apple. Being an experienced Apple developer (since 1986), means that I have been incandescent with rage at Apple -many times. All of us have. Apple can be a real pain to work with. I still develop for Apple, but I am not a "fanboi." BTW: The rejection reason says that, because it's canned. It covers a lot of areas. I have received many such vaguely-worded rejections, and had to figure out why they bounced the app. In a couple of cases, I have been able to get people on the horn (PROTIP: Don't be calling them "smug," and be polite, even though you want to throttle them), where they have explained the issue. [EDIT]: Also, branding is something that a lot of geeks don't understand, but it is very important (and valuable). Many of the seemingly insane moves by Apple are because they are building and/or protecting their brand. That "smugness" is actually a deliberate part of their brand. I don't think that it's a good idea for their fans to reflect it. In terms of branding, a corrupted branding element is exactly the same as no branding element (except it's legally actionable). Speaking of which, did anyone see this week's John Oliver show? I get the feeling that HBO is a bit peeved with Disney.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    > In a couple of cases, I have been able to get people on the horn (PROTIP: Don't be calling them "smug," and be polite, even though you want to throttle them), where they have explained the issue. > That "smugness" is actually a deliberate part of their brand. I wasn't calling Apple smug, though? I was calling your comment smug, because of 1. implying it's unreasonable to say "kafkaesque" despite Apple setting up a system where you need to "read tea leaves" instead of believing what they tell you, and 2. phrasing it as that they "couldn't understand" the problem. Your advice, as far as saying they use canned messages that merely resemble the actual problem, is very useful. But don't be mean to someone that doesn't know that. It's a major failing on Apple's part.
    - ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago
      > But don't be mean to someone that doesn't know that. I wasn't being mean, and I apologize for a poor choice of words. I love developing Apple software, and heartily support you in your endeavors. Please consider me an ally. I sincerely wish you luck, but Apple can definitely be ... interesting to work with.
      - Dylan16807 5y ago
        I've never developed anything for Apple but I do thank you for that and hope the person having the problem can resolve things quickly.
        ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago
        Then I'd gently suggest doing a bit of research on what type of person I am, before immediately assuming that I am being mean. I'm a pretty decent chap. I understand that you are one of the most senior members of this community, and I certainly appreciate the work that y'all have done, trying to keep this from turning into an ugly community. I really (truly) appreciate the decorum here, and sincerely do my best to respect that. It is my goal to be a positive, contributing member here. I may be mistaken, but I do believe that I have some contributions to make, here. I may come across as a stuffy old fart, but that is a deliberate departure from my earlier days, when I was ... not that way.

tdjsnelling 5y ago

Right? A different colour border on the Apple button should be the least of OPs design concerns here...