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Good for them. Though, I wonder how this ever was allowed to get this bad in the first place[0]. Perhaps it's how I was raised, my employment history, or I've
by mdip 5y ago
Good for them. Though, I wonder how this ever was allowed to get this bad in the first place[0]. Perhaps it's how I was raised, my employment history, or I've just "gotten lucky" with (larger) employers[1], but it blows my mind that any large employer allowed an employee to come within a 100 yards of harassing behavior.
I worked in various lead/senior roles in IT Infrastructure, security, support and development at a 5,000-20,000 (depending on the time) employee telecom. I know of one incident in the 17 years I was there that was serious related to sexual harassment. In that case, the "victimized employee" remained with the company, the harasser handled by suspension during a (hours long) investigation where they were fired with cause (also the only case in the US that I'm aware of). I was asked to collect his computer; yeah, firing him was a good call.
Women and minorities in IT -- both technical and management (VP was and currently still is the same woman) were represented well above the average[2] and promoted at no different rate. On our team and among our larger team -- 17 years -- all of the staff acted like adults (some had quirks, but nothing more). I don't ever recall a frat-boy like attitude and I know none of my co-workers would tolerate it. I don't even recall an incident of inappropriate humor. The only thing that came close was one colleague who dropped an F-Bomb casually about every 3 words (usually a "Fckin'" or "Fcked Up" -- despite the word, I don't recall him using the word sexually). He lasted a year or so and didn't get fired for the F-Bombs -- everyone talked about it but nobody really cared[3].
[0] In fairness, I've not followed this story closely, so that may be my perception.
[1] The tempting explanation of "I didn't experience it, myself, therefore I was blind to it" isn't something I can prove I wasn't affected by, but my unusual set of jobs/position in the company allowed for few places to hide this kind of behavior from me at times.
[2] I'm always uncomfortable mentioning this -- we had higher than average because we actively recruited from places that would increase the number of minority candidates. We did not in any way apply hiring practices that favored under-represented races/genders -- and ended up having a very diverse team.
[3] I'm not suggesting harassing/racist behavior be ignored, however, another part of being an adult is tolerating things that we feel are "moral faults" in others without being uptight about it. "It takes a lot of people to make a world" ... My casually-swearing colleague never swore at people or about people -- he swore about things sometimes, and swore casually, even though he chose a word that many in the US feel to be among the most offensive profanities, co-workers used to just comment about "how strange it is to hear so much profanity out of one guy when nobody else is swearing at all".
- mdip 5y ago... feeling badly for picking on F-Bomb guy and I remembered a story about him that I thought I'd share as context when I say he never landed in harassment territory. He worked at an office in a different state, but I worked closely with his team and he had been put on a team that my former boss had chosen to move across the country to be a member of. Apparently Bill (former boss[0], not his real name) met John (F-Bomb guy, same) two days after he started; they got to talking, John found out Bill had a moving truck coming that weekend and invited himself over to help, even buying lunch for him, my former boss and the one other guy who was willing to help. [0] Not his boss, not even on the same team and they'd met that day -- it was one of several stories; we'd often wondered if the profanity was a mental thing because he otherwise behaved like a Sunday School teacher.
- scruple 5y agoI've been f-bomb guy before. Cursing (not for cursings sake, but for the love of the language, if there is such a thing) is a crucial part of my language and when I was younger, before I moved into technical leadership roles, I didn't quite understand why it was unprofessional language to use at work... But sspecially so when everything else abut the job felt so casual. In the last 5 years, however, I have been involved in technical leadership and have restricted my usage. FWIW, I'm also the type to insist on helping friends and colleagues with physical labor work.
- acomjean 5y agoI too was f-bomb guy. But I had spent the summer doing inspections on a construction site, where the language is .. different. I came back to the office, my friend took me aside and mentioned it. Office vocabulary, I think was the term he used.
- scruple 5y agoYeah, I spent about 4 years working in construction and factory floors and another 4 years in the military. It's baked in at this point but I've learned to get it under control when needed.