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If Amazon is confident that the last election was fair, they should expect another 70-30 trouncing of the union, and therefore welcome another vote.

bombcar 5y ago
If America is confident that the last election was fair, they should expect another 306-232 trouncing of Trump, and therefore welcome another vote.
- m12k 5y ago
  Amazon doesn't have a constitution governing exactly when it can and can't have an election. That said, with Biden's approval ratings as high as they are, it would probably be in the Dems' favor if they could get an early election before the GOP state legislatures manage to implement all their gerrymandering and voter suppression bills.
  - leereeves 5y ago
    > with Biden's approval ratings as high as they are This is all off-topic, but in the interest of accuracy: according to 538's average of polls, Biden's approval rating is not that high, just 51%. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
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    - moate 5y ago
      His NET approval rating (Approval - Dissaproval) is +8 which is pretty good for the current era of American Presidents. I literally have no idea what would have to happen for a President to get a 65%+ approval or a net of +20 in this day and age. There would need to be a complete recalibration of the parties.
      - bombcar 5y ago
        War were declared might do it.
    - rejectedandsad 5y ago
      +9 is higher than Trumps ever were
  - gruez 5y ago
    > Amazon doesn't have a constitution governing exactly when it can and can't have an election. Fair point, but I fail to see how it's not a situation of "let's have a rerun because I didn't get my preferred outcome". Case in point: if the vote was 70-30 in favor of the union, how much support will there be for a rerun?
- jtdev 5y ago
  And Maricopa County, AZ should comply with the subpoenas issued by election auditors... unless they're hiding something. This isn't the way people with nothing to hide respond to subpoenas: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dominion-maricopa-county-refuse-to-comply-with-state-senate-subpoenas-in-arizona-audit/ar-AAMRgdp https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dominion-maricopa-co...
  - afavour 5y ago
    > the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors responded to the subpoena with a letter stating they have already provided much of what has been asked of them in subpoenas filed at the beginning of this year and late last year. > They also stated that some of the materials that have been requested are in the custody of the recorder's office, which was not named in the subpoena, according to the Republic. > "Specifically, providing these routers puts sensitive, confidential data belonging to Maricopa County citizens - including Social Security numbers and protected health information - at risk," Thomas Liddy, civil division chief for the county attorney's office, wrote. None of this seems unreasonable to me. An aside, but I'd think a tech forum like HN would be interested in a more critical examination of the conspiracy theory around internet routers containing proof of electoral fraud. Every angle I've read on it sounds like utter nonsense. Let's not pretend it's anything other than a fishing expedition aimed at sowing doubt in voters minds.
    - corpdrone2021 5y ago
      I've tried to go over this with my dad and uncles a few times, they're all IT professionals. The theory is essentially that the machines weren't properly secured, they cite some provision of AZ election law that I don't recall precisely which states that if the machines aren't air-gapped the election is invalid and must be rerun. They think the routers are the proof that the rules were broken and thus will force a revote. When pressed they never can really articulate a specific theory of fraud, just that the rules were broken and they're upset when the rules were broken and their guy lost.
      - slumdev 5y ago
SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
If Amazon is confident the last election was fair, they would presumably see the current push as procedural nonsense designed to stop them from winning, and would be concerned that more redos just mean more opportunities for trickery. Would you feel the same way if it were Amazon calling for a do-over after a union victory?
- JKCalhoun 5y ago
  There's an asymmetry of power here though. Amazon, had they lost the vote to the union, asking for a redo would be suspect. But because Amazon has the appearance of all the power and control should welcome redos.
  - SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
    I don't really see the asymmetry. The union campaign was run by a 60,000 member affiliate of the AFL-CIO, supported by multiple Senators, and arguably (he was vague about it) by the President of the United States. We could focus on Amazon's greater power to influence workplace conditions around the election, or the union's greater experience and pull with the NLRB. But really, the bottom line should be, both sides are large and powerful enough to meaningfully worry about the other side playing tricks.

bombcar 5y ago

If America is confident that the last election was fair, they should expect another 306-232 trouncing of Trump, and therefore welcome another vote.

m12k 5y ago
Amazon doesn't have a constitution governing exactly when it can and can't have an election. That said, with Biden's approval ratings as high as they are, it would probably be in the Dems' favor if they could get an early election before the GOP state legislatures manage to implement all their gerrymandering and voter suppression bills.
- leereeves 5y ago
  > with Biden's approval ratings as high as they are This is all off-topic, but in the interest of accuracy: according to 538's average of polls, Biden's approval rating is not that high, just 51%. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
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  - moate 5y ago
    His NET approval rating (Approval - Dissaproval) is +8 which is pretty good for the current era of American Presidents. I literally have no idea what would have to happen for a President to get a 65%+ approval or a net of +20 in this day and age. There would need to be a complete recalibration of the parties.
    - bombcar 5y ago
      War were declared might do it.
  - rejectedandsad 5y ago
    +9 is higher than Trumps ever were
- gruez 5y ago
  > Amazon doesn't have a constitution governing exactly when it can and can't have an election. Fair point, but I fail to see how it's not a situation of "let's have a rerun because I didn't get my preferred outcome". Case in point: if the vote was 70-30 in favor of the union, how much support will there be for a rerun?
jtdev 5y ago
And Maricopa County, AZ should comply with the subpoenas issued by election auditors... unless they're hiding something. This isn't the way people with nothing to hide respond to subpoenas: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dominion-maricopa-county-refuse-to-comply-with-state-senate-subpoenas-in-arizona-audit/ar-AAMRgdp https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dominion-maricopa-co...
- afavour 5y ago
  > the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors responded to the subpoena with a letter stating they have already provided much of what has been asked of them in subpoenas filed at the beginning of this year and late last year. > They also stated that some of the materials that have been requested are in the custody of the recorder's office, which was not named in the subpoena, according to the Republic. > "Specifically, providing these routers puts sensitive, confidential data belonging to Maricopa County citizens - including Social Security numbers and protected health information - at risk," Thomas Liddy, civil division chief for the county attorney's office, wrote. None of this seems unreasonable to me. An aside, but I'd think a tech forum like HN would be interested in a more critical examination of the conspiracy theory around internet routers containing proof of electoral fraud. Every angle I've read on it sounds like utter nonsense. Let's not pretend it's anything other than a fishing expedition aimed at sowing doubt in voters minds.
  - corpdrone2021 5y ago
    I've tried to go over this with my dad and uncles a few times, they're all IT professionals. The theory is essentially that the machines weren't properly secured, they cite some provision of AZ election law that I don't recall precisely which states that if the machines aren't air-gapped the election is invalid and must be rerun. They think the routers are the proof that the rules were broken and thus will force a revote. When pressed they never can really articulate a specific theory of fraud, just that the rules were broken and they're upset when the rules were broken and their guy lost.
    - slumdev 5y ago

SpicyLemonZest 5y ago

If Amazon is confident the last election was fair, they would presumably see the current push as procedural nonsense designed to stop them from winning, and would be concerned that more redos just mean more opportunities for trickery. Would you feel the same way if it were Amazon calling for a do-over after a union victory?

JKCalhoun 5y ago
There's an asymmetry of power here though. Amazon, had they lost the vote to the union, asking for a redo would be suspect. But because Amazon has the appearance of all the power and control should welcome redos.
- SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
  I don't really see the asymmetry. The union campaign was run by a 60,000 member affiliate of the AFL-CIO, supported by multiple Senators, and arguably (he was vague about it) by the President of the United States. We could focus on Amazon's greater power to influence workplace conditions around the election, or the union's greater experience and pull with the NLRB. But really, the bottom line should be, both sides are large and powerful enough to meaningfully worry about the other side playing tricks.