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I agree there is a lot of hysterical speculation, around everything from the initial high death rates to the supposed benefits of HCQ. And slowly we have need t

I agree there is a lot of hysterical speculation, around everything from the initial high death rates to the supposed benefits of HCQ. And slowly we have need to attempt to re-evaluate the data, when it is possible. I really wonder how we could get that data more accurately in the future, without all of the inherent privacy implications and dangers from collecting it. The article also mentions that most of those myocarditis have already recovered while none of those dead came back to life (I am assuming so anyways). Since I see you post to COVID questions often, what would you consider to be "more risky?" It is clear teens are on the low end of personal risk from COVID, but they also put others at increased risk of complications, such as their parents, in addition to their own mild risks.

timr 5y ago
> Since I see you post to COVID questions often, what would you consider to be "more risky?" It is clear teens are on the low end of personal risk from COVID, but they also put others at increased risk of complications, such as their parents, in addition to their own mild risks. This depends so heavily on personal circumstance that all I can say is "consult with your doctor". There are kids for whom the tradeoff is obviously in favor of getting the vaccine, and others for whom it isn't. From a high-level perspective, I tend to agree with the logic outlined here (same link as in previous comment): https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/93340 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/93340
- manwe150 5y ago
  Yes, PCP involvement is wise. Reading deep into that link, I notice it says their advice (for 1 dose) is predicated specifically on the drop in infectivity rates in June, implying that that the more virulent delta strain that began circulating shortly after publication meant we should vaccine all eligible teens with 2 doses now. I think that is too strong perhaps, but I am not too certain what we know about it. Even most of the counter-example countries have changed their position (Germany today, Israel before the article, their link Netherlands for seems to have actually said teens should be vaccinated as soon as doses were available). Do you agree with that assessment of the link?
esyir 5y ago
Having a personal experience with this, I now strongly suspect that we have a severe gap in data collection, and failures of the medical system where I'm at to properly capture side effects. This might be in part because of medical professional cultural hesitancy to attribute effects to vaccination. The bucketing of symptoms may also affect this, not all heart related side effects are myocarditis, but that's what everyone is looking at. In my case, with no prior history of any heart conditions, I experienced a racing heartbeat, crushing chest pain and pain that radiated from my chest to my head beginning 2-3 days after the vaccination. Doctors I saw were generally skeptical that this could be caused by the vaccine; their first instinct was to discount any possibility that it might be vaccine related. I'm now significantly more distrustful of public vaccination campaigns for covid-19, and the side effect data for such. There seems to be a strong incentive, or some underlying cultural bias to underreport this.

timr 5y ago

> Since I see you post to COVID questions often, what would you consider to be "more risky?" It is clear teens are on the low end of personal risk from COVID, but they also put others at increased risk of complications, such as their parents, in addition to their own mild risks. This depends so heavily on personal circumstance that all I can say is "consult with your doctor". There are kids for whom the tradeoff is obviously in favor of getting the vaccine, and others for whom it isn't. From a high-level perspective, I tend to agree with the logic outlined here (same link as in previous comment): https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/93340 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/93340

manwe150 5y ago
Yes, PCP involvement is wise. Reading deep into that link, I notice it says their advice (for 1 dose) is predicated specifically on the drop in infectivity rates in June, implying that that the more virulent delta strain that began circulating shortly after publication meant we should vaccine all eligible teens with 2 doses now. I think that is too strong perhaps, but I am not too certain what we know about it. Even most of the counter-example countries have changed their position (Germany today, Israel before the article, their link Netherlands for seems to have actually said teens should be vaccinated as soon as doses were available). Do you agree with that assessment of the link?

esyir 5y ago

Having a personal experience with this, I now strongly suspect that we have a severe gap in data collection, and failures of the medical system where I'm at to properly capture side effects. This might be in part because of medical professional cultural hesitancy to attribute effects to vaccination. The bucketing of symptoms may also affect this, not all heart related side effects are myocarditis, but that's what everyone is looking at. In my case, with no prior history of any heart conditions, I experienced a racing heartbeat, crushing chest pain and pain that radiated from my chest to my head beginning 2-3 days after the vaccination. Doctors I saw were generally skeptical that this could be caused by the vaccine; their first instinct was to discount any possibility that it might be vaccine related. I'm now significantly more distrustful of public vaccination campaigns for covid-19, and the side effect data for such. There seems to be a strong incentive, or some underlying cultural bias to underreport this.