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As others have mentioned, the source you're citing is at best highly questionable. The amount of leaps the article makes is just out of this world, mostly that

As others have mentioned, the source you're citing is at best highly questionable. The amount of leaps the article makes is just out of this world, mostly that this Israeli company has Israelis involved, and that Israelis who have experience with mathematics and computer work also serve their mandatory military service in an intelligence unit of the military rather than as foot soldiers and that an Israeli company has Israeli investors. Israel is a tiny country the size of New Jersey, the fact that there will be overlap of people and connections between them is always the case- there's nothing nefarious about it. Anyway, looking at the author's twitter gives one a good look into what this looks like if taken outside the context of Israel: https://twitter.com/_whitneywebb?lang=en https://twitter.com/_whitneywebb?lang=en She's an anti-vaxxer talking about how the "ruling class" of using COVID to gain control over the population, about hidden FBI assets, and a ton about how the anti-Defmation League, a group that collects data on antisemitism is really a massive spy network. If it weren't so scary that people believe in it, it might be funny. There's no reason to put any more credence in her

noduerme 5y ago
The really scary part is that Q nuts like this are now running the Republican party, and they have no love for Israel. The second most egregious mistake Netanyahu made, after bowing to the settlers, was staking Israel's future on an alliance with the American right. Only the four people at Commentary Magazine believe there's still a non-crazy conservative movement in the US who wouldn't turn on Israel in a heartbeat... although they have a point that the progressives already have done so. The penning of this article really closes the circle of right/left conspiracy theory. If there's one thing all conspiracy theorists can agree on, it's the Jews. I think that's what you're seeing that's disturbing.
- pasabagi 5y ago
  Mmm, I think at the end of the day, Israel is probably the only reliable strategic partner in a resource-rich region full of basketcases. At worst, they'll have to tone it down a bit. If the US ceases to back them, they can always find a new backer.
  - stevenjohns 5y ago
    That's ridiculously short sighted and bordering on racist. Let's bomb all of Israel's infrastructure, arm various militias in the country and put economic sanctions on them for 20 years that limits the country to a grain-for-food programme and you'll quickly see Israel join in as a regional "basketcase."
    - pasabagi 5y ago
      I agree. I just think if I was working for the US state department, and I was sizing up various countries around the middle east to build a partnership with, I would choose Israel every time. The only country that comes close is Turkey, and they have coups every couple of decades. I think the reasons why the ME is so unstable are a bit complex, but it's also not really relevant. If you're interested in a stable regional partner, the reasons why a given country is unstable is not really something you care about.
      - stevenjohns 5y ago
        Considering that the only metric for supporting a Middle Eastern group is that they have to be pro-Israel, of course Israel becomes the natural choice. It’s not about stability considering that Israel is a constant powder keg. That in itself is just the catch-22 of US foreign policy in the Middle East. The right decision - if you had the best interests for the US and the region - is to completely withdraw. Any other decision leads to more conflict and hostile and opportunist groups (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Russia, et al) growing in influence with every passing moment.
        pasabagi 5y ago
        The basic goal of US foreign policy has been to maintain a network of US allies and partners around the world, who can be relied upon to protect US strategic interests, like access through the strait of Hormuz. Nations like Qatar or SA are fine, but ultimately they are dictatorships that occasionally do stuff like chop up journalists, so you don't invest that much into them. The US had a very close strategic partnership with Iran, which was in this mould, and it didn't turn out very well. Israel, on the other hand, is a western-style settler-colonial state that has never had a coup, has a strong civil society, and frankly could have gone to the USSR at any point in the cold war and they would have been just fine. Obviously, if you don't want the US to be a global hegemon, this policy doesn't make sense. However, the US state department almost always does, so this policy is totally rational from their perspective.
- refurb 5y ago
  Dude, the old guard Democrats love Israel. They have nothing to worry about, at all.
  - ashtonkem 5y ago
    The old guard is … old. Their ability to hold onto electoral power is impressive (and annoying to me), but the actuarial tables are looming here. Meanwhile the new guard views Israel as an apartheid state, which isn’t great for Israel.
    - luffapi 5y ago
      > Meanwhile the new guard views Israel as an apartheid state, which isn’t great for Israel. It’s great for everyone else though. As a US citizen, I’m tired of funding and being morally culpable for Israel’s terrorism and apartheid state. Thankfully as mentioned, the younger generations aren’t buying it anymore. Edit: Since HN has decided to throttle my replies (why?). Yes I also oppose all US military adventurism and funding. We should be 100% focused on disassembling our nuclear arsenal and convincing others to do the same. This article is about Israel though, so our support of their crimes is the topic of my comment.
      - seoaeu 5y ago
        It is so weird to me that so many American citizens are more worried about the moral implications of the couple billion sent to Israel than the literally trillions spent on our own wars
        ashtonkem 5y ago
        I think you'll find that most people concerned about military aid to Israel are likewise not a huge fan of US wars either. It's just that this thread is about Israel, so of course that is the subject that is discussed.
        seoaeu 5y ago
- ashtonkem 5y ago
  Israel also had amazing bipartisan support in America. It seems like Netanyahu purposefully made Israel a partisan issue in the US in order to accomplish some short term goals, which was probably very short sighted.
- Gustomaximus 5y ago
  I've really noticed this. Right wing forums seem to have shifted significantly over the last year or 2 from the evangelical support of Israeli state, now increasingly to 'jews are the puppet master' type commentary. Also worryingly the general (and more to do with democrats) call to arms type commentary has been growing too. You like yo hope its a significant minority but it doesn't seem to get pushed down in the forums. I really dont know how society can deal with this movement if it grows. I suspect the best way is access to quality education + plentiful & reasonably paid jobs when people enter the workforce at all levels. Not trying to be political but I feel this is one of many reasons why things like higher minimum wages are so important and a somewhat egalitarian society as I think much of the discontent ultimately comes from people not happy with their societal status.
briefcomment 5y ago
So Pegasus is a non-story right, since she's been reporting on that for years now?

noduerme 5y ago

The really scary part is that Q nuts like this are now running the Republican party, and they have no love for Israel. The second most egregious mistake Netanyahu made, after bowing to the settlers, was staking Israel's future on an alliance with the American right. Only the four people at Commentary Magazine believe there's still a non-crazy conservative movement in the US who wouldn't turn on Israel in a heartbeat... although they have a point that the progressives already have done so. The penning of this article really closes the circle of right/left conspiracy theory. If there's one thing all conspiracy theorists can agree on, it's the Jews. I think that's what you're seeing that's disturbing.

pasabagi 5y ago
Mmm, I think at the end of the day, Israel is probably the only reliable strategic partner in a resource-rich region full of basketcases. At worst, they'll have to tone it down a bit. If the US ceases to back them, they can always find a new backer.
- stevenjohns 5y ago
  That's ridiculously short sighted and bordering on racist. Let's bomb all of Israel's infrastructure, arm various militias in the country and put economic sanctions on them for 20 years that limits the country to a grain-for-food programme and you'll quickly see Israel join in as a regional "basketcase."
  - pasabagi 5y ago
    I agree. I just think if I was working for the US state department, and I was sizing up various countries around the middle east to build a partnership with, I would choose Israel every time. The only country that comes close is Turkey, and they have coups every couple of decades. I think the reasons why the ME is so unstable are a bit complex, but it's also not really relevant. If you're interested in a stable regional partner, the reasons why a given country is unstable is not really something you care about.
    - stevenjohns 5y ago
      Considering that the only metric for supporting a Middle Eastern group is that they have to be pro-Israel, of course Israel becomes the natural choice. It’s not about stability considering that Israel is a constant powder keg. That in itself is just the catch-22 of US foreign policy in the Middle East. The right decision - if you had the best interests for the US and the region - is to completely withdraw. Any other decision leads to more conflict and hostile and opportunist groups (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Russia, et al) growing in influence with every passing moment.
      - pasabagi 5y ago
        The basic goal of US foreign policy has been to maintain a network of US allies and partners around the world, who can be relied upon to protect US strategic interests, like access through the strait of Hormuz. Nations like Qatar or SA are fine, but ultimately they are dictatorships that occasionally do stuff like chop up journalists, so you don't invest that much into them. The US had a very close strategic partnership with Iran, which was in this mould, and it didn't turn out very well. Israel, on the other hand, is a western-style settler-colonial state that has never had a coup, has a strong civil society, and frankly could have gone to the USSR at any point in the cold war and they would have been just fine. Obviously, if you don't want the US to be a global hegemon, this policy doesn't make sense. However, the US state department almost always does, so this policy is totally rational from their perspective.
refurb 5y ago
Dude, the old guard Democrats love Israel. They have nothing to worry about, at all.
- ashtonkem 5y ago
  The old guard is … old. Their ability to hold onto electoral power is impressive (and annoying to me), but the actuarial tables are looming here. Meanwhile the new guard views Israel as an apartheid state, which isn’t great for Israel.
  - luffapi 5y ago
    > Meanwhile the new guard views Israel as an apartheid state, which isn’t great for Israel. It’s great for everyone else though. As a US citizen, I’m tired of funding and being morally culpable for Israel’s terrorism and apartheid state. Thankfully as mentioned, the younger generations aren’t buying it anymore. Edit: Since HN has decided to throttle my replies (why?). Yes I also oppose all US military adventurism and funding. We should be 100% focused on disassembling our nuclear arsenal and convincing others to do the same. This article is about Israel though, so our support of their crimes is the topic of my comment.
    - seoaeu 5y ago
      It is so weird to me that so many American citizens are more worried about the moral implications of the couple billion sent to Israel than the literally trillions spent on our own wars
      - ashtonkem 5y ago
        I think you'll find that most people concerned about military aid to Israel are likewise not a huge fan of US wars either. It's just that this thread is about Israel, so of course that is the subject that is discussed.
        seoaeu 5y ago
ashtonkem 5y ago
Israel also had amazing bipartisan support in America. It seems like Netanyahu purposefully made Israel a partisan issue in the US in order to accomplish some short term goals, which was probably very short sighted.
Gustomaximus 5y ago
I've really noticed this. Right wing forums seem to have shifted significantly over the last year or 2 from the evangelical support of Israeli state, now increasingly to 'jews are the puppet master' type commentary. Also worryingly the general (and more to do with democrats) call to arms type commentary has been growing too. You like yo hope its a significant minority but it doesn't seem to get pushed down in the forums. I really dont know how society can deal with this movement if it grows. I suspect the best way is access to quality education + plentiful & reasonably paid jobs when people enter the workforce at all levels. Not trying to be political but I feel this is one of many reasons why things like higher minimum wages are so important and a somewhat egalitarian society as I think much of the discontent ultimately comes from people not happy with their societal status.

briefcomment 5y ago

So Pegasus is a non-story right, since she's been reporting on that for years now?