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That's a very questionable source. With such an overtly anti-Israel position, that's probably best taken with a large pinch of salt.

by adav 5y ago

user-the-name 5y ago
Yes, that site bears all the hallmarks of a misinformation front: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MintPress_News https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MintPress_News The author of the article also seems to be severely lacking in good judgement, since she seems to have appeared on the podcast of anti-vaxxer RFK Jr recently.
- Ticklee 5y ago
  Wikipedia is also a misinformation front though, as far as all it does it consolidate media opinions on any given topic.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    Come on, you know that's a bullshit response.
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  It seems that many prominent Zionist are very friendly with alt-right and conservative types until it is convenient for them to play the antisemitism card and then suddenly they question their judgement.
l33tbro 5y ago
Do you actually have counter-arguments to her findings here?
dpwm 5y ago
Should we take the sometimes-overtly, other-times-covertly pro-Israel position of much of the western media with a similar pinch of salt?
- keewee7 5y ago
  Opinions on Israel-Palestine seem to depend on generation. Boomer journalists are pro-Israel and millennial journalists seem to be pro-Palestinian. In the recent conflict NYT and WaPost were pro-Palestinian unlike the conflict in 2014 when they were neutral. In 2008/2009 they were openly pro-Israel.
dessant 5y ago
I'm not familiar with the source, but can you give us a reason why one should be pro-Israel in this instance? I see nothing wrong with condemning the actions of the Israeli government, nor questioning why one of the prominent exports of the Israeli technology sector is surveillance. I keep being contacted several times a year by established Israeli companies to add spyware into my projects. A couple of weeks ago I was offered $5000 as a sign up bonus by Bright Data (formerly Luminati), before that a growth specialist from Similarweb contacted me to gather intelligence about how to aquire Firefox for Android extensions, it was so slimy I've reported the latter to Mozilla employees. I can't come up with a single country with such a disproportionate amount of shady companies specialized in online tracking and surveillance compared to the small population size.
- noduerme 5y ago
  >> can you give us a reason why one should be pro-Israel in this instance? Because when it's done in the interest of preventing another holocaust, which is the entire reason for the existence of Israel, it's not the same as when the Chinese government does it to terrify and imprison minorities, or when Russia does it to destroy Putin's personal opponents. I too question their choice of who they licensed this tech to, but hopefully they got plenty of useful intel on those governments along the way.
  - disgu 5y ago
    How is that a reason? This stuff is always justified by claiming it ensures the safety of people. Another justification has never existed for any of these.
  - Cyph0n 5y ago
    How does selling spyware to authoritarian governments so that they can monitor activists and journalists “prevent another Holocaust”?
    - noduerme 5y ago
      Presumably, the real interest of the Israeli government, to the extent it's involved, is in monitoring the people they sold the software to.
xvector 5y ago
I cannot imagine how someone could possibly be pro-Israel in the specific context of cybercrime and cyberwarfare. They are literally enabling regimes to blackmail and murder innocent, good people. Also, please provide actual counterarguments.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  Is it Israel, the state, that is doing that?
  - helge9210 5y ago
    Yes. Every sale is approved by at least to ministers.
    - wizzwizz4 5y ago
      That's interesting. Do you have a source?
      - kota2 5y ago
        Sure, there is many: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/nso-spyware-pegasus-cellphones/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/20... "The Israeli Defense Ministry must approve any license to a government that wants to buy it, according to previous NSO statements."
3327 5y ago
The source may be questionable, but very likely it is the TIP of the iceberg...

That's a very questionable source. With such an overtly anti-Israel position, that's probably best taken with a large pinch of salt.

by adav 5y ago

That's a very questionable source. With such an overtly anti-Israel position, that's probably best taken with a large pinch of salt.

user-the-name 5y ago

Yes, that site bears all the hallmarks of a misinformation front: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MintPress_News https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MintPress_News The author of the article also seems to be severely lacking in good judgement, since she seems to have appeared on the podcast of anti-vaxxer RFK Jr recently.

Ticklee 5y ago
Wikipedia is also a misinformation front though, as far as all it does it consolidate media opinions on any given topic.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  Come on, you know that's a bullshit response.
encryptluks2 5y ago
It seems that many prominent Zionist are very friendly with alt-right and conservative types until it is convenient for them to play the antisemitism card and then suddenly they question their judgement.

l33tbro 5y ago

Do you actually have counter-arguments to her findings here?

dpwm 5y ago

Should we take the sometimes-overtly, other-times-covertly pro-Israel position of much of the western media with a similar pinch of salt?

keewee7 5y ago
Opinions on Israel-Palestine seem to depend on generation. Boomer journalists are pro-Israel and millennial journalists seem to be pro-Palestinian. In the recent conflict NYT and WaPost were pro-Palestinian unlike the conflict in 2014 when they were neutral. In 2008/2009 they were openly pro-Israel.

dessant 5y ago

I'm not familiar with the source, but can you give us a reason why one should be pro-Israel in this instance? I see nothing wrong with condemning the actions of the Israeli government, nor questioning why one of the prominent exports of the Israeli technology sector is surveillance. I keep being contacted several times a year by established Israeli companies to add spyware into my projects. A couple of weeks ago I was offered $5000 as a sign up bonus by Bright Data (formerly Luminati), before that a growth specialist from Similarweb contacted me to gather intelligence about how to aquire Firefox for Android extensions, it was so slimy I've reported the latter to Mozilla employees. I can't come up with a single country with such a disproportionate amount of shady companies specialized in online tracking and surveillance compared to the small population size.

noduerme 5y ago
>> can you give us a reason why one should be pro-Israel in this instance? Because when it's done in the interest of preventing another holocaust, which is the entire reason for the existence of Israel, it's not the same as when the Chinese government does it to terrify and imprison minorities, or when Russia does it to destroy Putin's personal opponents. I too question their choice of who they licensed this tech to, but hopefully they got plenty of useful intel on those governments along the way.
- disgu 5y ago
  How is that a reason? This stuff is always justified by claiming it ensures the safety of people. Another justification has never existed for any of these.
- Cyph0n 5y ago
  How does selling spyware to authoritarian governments so that they can monitor activists and journalists “prevent another Holocaust”?
  - noduerme 5y ago
    Presumably, the real interest of the Israeli government, to the extent it's involved, is in monitoring the people they sold the software to.

xvector 5y ago

I cannot imagine how someone could possibly be pro-Israel in the specific context of cybercrime and cyberwarfare. They are literally enabling regimes to blackmail and murder innocent, good people. Also, please provide actual counterarguments.

user-the-name 5y ago
Is it Israel, the state, that is doing that?
- helge9210 5y ago
  Yes. Every sale is approved by at least to ministers.
  - wizzwizz4 5y ago
    That's interesting. Do you have a source?
    - kota2 5y ago
      Sure, there is many: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/nso-spyware-pegasus-cellphones/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/20... "The Israeli Defense Ministry must approve any license to a government that wants to buy it, according to previous NSO statements."

3327 5y ago

The source may be questionable, but very likely it is the TIP of the iceberg...