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> I don't have to worry about what my grandma downloaded from the internet for her iPhone Yet you're ironically responding about an article telling how to find

• whynotminot 5y ago
  Do you think nation states who spent a fortune on Pegasus are going after my grandmother? I think you're missing the big picture for most normal people.
  • fartcannon 5y ago
    Worse yet, you can't actually scan your phone without jail breaking it. Without knocking down the financial wall, your phone is insecure.
    • whynotminot 5y ago
      still missing the point
      • fartcannon 5y ago
        Nope, the point is that the security is not only not real (tfa) but it's actually worse since you need to root to detect it.
        • kristiandupont 5y ago
          But that point is wrong. All security is layers, nothing is bulletproof.
  • raxxorrax 5y ago
    Since the law doesn't protect citizens from illegal surveillance, no matter if that is your grandma or not, this kind of security is extremely important.
    • whynotminot 5y ago
      What do you mean by “this kind of security.” Of course this is a big deal. But I think people are sort of missing the point. Nation States will always find a way in. There’s really no kind of security that stops a persistent well resourced threat. If you think android/<insert OS> is immune to an advanced persistent threat, you're wrong. Apple will fix these vulnerabilities, and then these professional hackers will get back to work on finding a new way in. The goal isn't 100% impenetrable security--that's impossible. The goal is really imposing a high enough cost so that as few as possible are capable of getting in. There is not a rampant security problem on iOS. But there are still vulnerabilities for those with the resources to find them. That's only surprising to people that don't follow the security world.
      • raxxorrax 5y ago
        States probably have dragnet surveillance and devices like iPhones make this far easier than it should be. > If you think android/<insert OS> is immune to an advanced persistent threat, you're wrong. Some of these devices are probably even more vulnerable. But the heterogeneity of systems is what provides practical security and systems like iOS are the opposite of that. Through this uniform software environment you create the juicy target in the first place. Also anything in the Apple cloud is highly vulnerable to state actors anyway. Not only in the Apple cloud of course.
        • whynotminot 5y ago
          > But the heterogeneity of systems is what provides practical security and systems like iOS are the opposite of that. This may be the first time someone tried to argue the fragmented nature of Android makes it more secure. It is true that iOS, being as uniform as it is, can present a plum target. The difference is that this also means that with one fell swoop Apple can mitigate vulnerabilities for a billion devices--and they do. One of the primary reasons to buy an iPhone is Apple's commitment to update support for many, many years. All phones will have vulnerabilities. That is inevitable. The most important part is manufacturer commitment to promptly fixing them when they're found. > States probably have dragnet surveillance and devices like iPhones make this far easier than it should be. The cost of these exploits makes it unlikely that it's truly dragnet. You don't want to risk burning your expensive exploit by going after literally everything. The wider you cast the net, the more likely you are to be found, your exploit patched, your infrastructure compromised. Again, platform security is not about being impenetrable--it's about imposing costs high enough to limit the number of players and the corresponding damage.