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Dude, there has been no data breach. When you sign up with amazon you agree to their terms. These are pretty darn clear. The decision rests on a whole complic

Dude, there has been no data breach. When you sign up with amazon you agree to their terms. These are pretty darn clear. The decision rests on a whole complicated series of make believe facts. That users were not told their data would be collected (false) or that they weren't told or aware that amazon used ads or targeting (despite amazon recommends stuff on literally every page or similar customers bought xxx). The idea that this is a data leak is crazy - amazon is doing stuff in-house there is no sale to third parties here.

shawabawa3 5y ago
Nobody is saying it's a data leak The fine is for not getting explicit consent to use data in targeted ads. Maybe they ruled that something buried in a huge T&C document doesn't count as consent
- whoknowswhat11 5y ago
  God, this is why these terms and conditions are so long. 1) Yes - they say they will use your data in this and other ways. 2) The T&C's and the presence or absence of this statement in them is NOT meaningful to any ordinary users - these things have had to get so long they are not useful anymore. 3) The ads and suggestions targeting you are obvious on these sites. There is no secret. Note - their T&C says the following: "We receive and store any information you provide in relation to Amazon Services. " "We use your personal information to display interest-based ads for features, products, and services that might be of interest to you" This is as clear as can be.
  - jdlshore 5y ago
    It may be clear, but it’s still in violation of the GDPR, which requires clear, unambiguous, non-coerced consent for each case where consent is required. Non-coerced means you have the option to decline and services can’t be withheld if you do. Terms & Conditions fail this requirement in many ways.
    - whoknowswhat11 5y ago
      This is the problem with the GDPR - we are ALREADY flooded with the damn cookie walls, now we are going to have to click through another 20 separate screens? It's ridiculous. It's crazy being a generally big govt / left supporter - this is the absolute crap that gives govt / the left a bad name. 95% of people DO NOT CARE about their cookies etc and are annoyed by this endless crap.
      - jdlshore 5y ago
        > Now we are going to have to click through another 20 separate screens? I’ve never seen that. (Maybe I’m not visiting the same types of web sites you are.) You’re obviously ranting, which makes it hard for me to take you seriously. But blaming your imaginary problem on “the left” rather than the websites you imagine will do this to you seems a bit silly even so.
robin_reala 5y ago
All the information you need to read and understand to sign up to Amazon (in English) is 12k words, or an hour and a half of average reading time. What percentage of users to you think spend an hour and a half to read and comprehend the terms. 1%? 0.1%? 0.01%? In addition, under GDPR consent has to be separate from terms and conditions, it has to be opt-in, and the explanation of what you opt in to has to be clear and concise.
- whoknowswhat11 5y ago
  And this is why folks hate the GDPR. AS soon as we have to jump through 10 more screens to do anything people are going to be even more annoyed at the cookie and now GDPR wall you have to fight through to use websites.

shawabawa3 5y ago

Nobody is saying it's a data leak The fine is for not getting explicit consent to use data in targeted ads. Maybe they ruled that something buried in a huge T&C document doesn't count as consent

whoknowswhat11 5y ago
God, this is why these terms and conditions are so long. 1) Yes - they say they will use your data in this and other ways. 2) The T&C's and the presence or absence of this statement in them is NOT meaningful to any ordinary users - these things have had to get so long they are not useful anymore. 3) The ads and suggestions targeting you are obvious on these sites. There is no secret. Note - their T&C says the following: "We receive and store any information you provide in relation to Amazon Services. " "We use your personal information to display interest-based ads for features, products, and services that might be of interest to you" This is as clear as can be.
- jdlshore 5y ago
  It may be clear, but it’s still in violation of the GDPR, which requires clear, unambiguous, non-coerced consent for each case where consent is required. Non-coerced means you have the option to decline and services can’t be withheld if you do. Terms & Conditions fail this requirement in many ways.
  - whoknowswhat11 5y ago
    This is the problem with the GDPR - we are ALREADY flooded with the damn cookie walls, now we are going to have to click through another 20 separate screens? It's ridiculous. It's crazy being a generally big govt / left supporter - this is the absolute crap that gives govt / the left a bad name. 95% of people DO NOT CARE about their cookies etc and are annoyed by this endless crap.
    - jdlshore 5y ago
      > Now we are going to have to click through another 20 separate screens? I’ve never seen that. (Maybe I’m not visiting the same types of web sites you are.) You’re obviously ranting, which makes it hard for me to take you seriously. But blaming your imaginary problem on “the left” rather than the websites you imagine will do this to you seems a bit silly even so.

robin_reala 5y ago

All the information you need to read and understand to sign up to Amazon (in English) is 12k words, or an hour and a half of average reading time. What percentage of users to you think spend an hour and a half to read and comprehend the terms. 1%? 0.1%? 0.01%? In addition, under GDPR consent has to be separate from terms and conditions, it has to be opt-in, and the explanation of what you opt in to has to be clear and concise.

whoknowswhat11 5y ago
And this is why folks hate the GDPR. AS soon as we have to jump through 10 more screens to do anything people are going to be even more annoyed at the cookie and now GDPR wall you have to fight through to use websites.