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If there is a secret hidden footnote to "NO ADJUSTMENTS FOR OTHER INTERVENTIONS" and "no distancing, no isolation, no gathering restrictions" that reads "just k

If there is a secret hidden footnote to "NO ADJUSTMENTS FOR OTHER INTERVENTIONS" and "no distancing, no isolation, no gathering restrictions" that reads "just kidding about that, all restaurants and bars need to be closed immediately" then this slide deck is doing a very bad job of clearly recommending what public heath interventions should be done. Again, why would they recommend universal masking if they know for a fact that it wouldn't do anything? What's the point?

SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
Why hasn't the FDA approved the vaccines, when health experts universally agree they're safe and effective and everyone should get one? I always hate when conversations come to this, because it comes across as a wild hot take, but there's a point where you've just gotta blame organizational dysfunction. It wouldn't be appropriate for the CDC to say "everyone ought to close indoor dining again" or "masks are pointless if you have them off 80% of the time to eat", and they certainly can't say "let's just let the unvaccinated people get sick". So they have to say some other stuff instead.
- sbierwagen 5y ago
  And in the end, we come to furious agreement: the CDC projections are nonsense, and "40-60%" is too high by orders of magnitude.
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
  > when health experts universally agree they're safe and effective and everyone should get one This is not true.
- jpster 5y ago
  Based on a podcast I heard this week FDA approval also looks at quality assurance of mass manufacturing, storage, supply chains, etc. It’s not just about efficacy and safety of the formulation, itself, but whether they can be assured at scale. It takes time to check all those boxes.
  - Throwawayaerlei 5y ago
    That's required to get an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA), is supposed to be why Novavax is behind schedule due to other cell culture based manufacturers soaking up resources, and why Emergent BioSolutions has never gotten approval for their Baltimore plant to make Janssen doses. Was in fact shut down, AZ/Oxford production at it canceled, etc. As I understand it the rolling reviews for mRNA vaccine approval are purely a matter of time to prove for real the length of efficacy of them, that's part of the risk/benefit analysis. Can only be done a day at a time....
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SpicyLemonZest 5y ago

Why hasn't the FDA approved the vaccines, when health experts universally agree they're safe and effective and everyone should get one? I always hate when conversations come to this, because it comes across as a wild hot take, but there's a point where you've just gotta blame organizational dysfunction. It wouldn't be appropriate for the CDC to say "everyone ought to close indoor dining again" or "masks are pointless if you have them off 80% of the time to eat", and they certainly can't say "let's just let the unvaccinated people get sick". So they have to say some other stuff instead.

sbierwagen 5y ago
And in the end, we come to furious agreement: the CDC projections are nonsense, and "40-60%" is too high by orders of magnitude.
AndrewBissell 5y ago
> when health experts universally agree they're safe and effective and everyone should get one This is not true.
jpster 5y ago
Based on a podcast I heard this week FDA approval also looks at quality assurance of mass manufacturing, storage, supply chains, etc. It’s not just about efficacy and safety of the formulation, itself, but whether they can be assured at scale. It takes time to check all those boxes.
- Throwawayaerlei 5y ago
  That's required to get an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA), is supposed to be why Novavax is behind schedule due to other cell culture based manufacturers soaking up resources, and why Emergent BioSolutions has never gotten approval for their Baltimore plant to make Janssen doses. Was in fact shut down, AZ/Oxford production at it canceled, etc. As I understand it the rolling reviews for mRNA vaccine approval are purely a matter of time to prove for real the length of efficacy of them, that's part of the risk/benefit analysis. Can only be done a day at a time....

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