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Amazon ending IE11 support on Management Console and Documentation

78 points by jeffbarr 5y ago

tim-- 5y ago
I appreciate that Firefox is listed before Chrome in the list of suggested browsers.
- bpodgursky 5y ago
  Funny that Safari wasn't mentioned.
  - JohnTHaller 5y ago
    As Safari is unavailable for Windows, there's no reason to mention it. IE11 users are Windows users, so Safari is unavailable to them.
    - OJFord 5y ago
      I just had a look and can't find anything, but I'm sure that at least used not to be true? I could've sworn when I was using Windows (primarily around XP/Vista) I had it installed. (Along with 'all' other browsers, for no apparent reason.)
      - omgitsabird 5y ago
        https://appleinsider.com/articles/12/07/25/apple_kills_windows_pc_support_in_safari_60 https://appleinsider.com/articles/12/07/25/apple_kills_windo... Apple ended Windows support in Safari 6.0 (2012)
        arthurcolle 5y ago
        I feel like I definitely had Safari on Windows after that but I believe you
        Wowfunhappy 5y ago
        I mean, you might have, it was just out of date.
      - koyote 5y ago
        It was actually bundled with the god-awful iTunes installer back then, so I am sure quite a few people had it installed unknowningly.
- tamcap 5y ago
  From an outsider's perspective: AWS has a strong anti-google-tools policy. I appreciate Chrome is listed at all ;-) One time I tried to have a video call with someone higher up in AWS, and they were unable to join a Google Meet call we have scheduled for that meeting (and only realized at t+2m).
  - temp_account001 5y ago
    Why were they unable to? Is there some sort of Amazon corporate firewall that prevents access to Google services?
    - rescbr 5y ago
      Probably it was some incompatibility between Google Meet and Firefox ESR.
    - tamcap 5y ago
      Said it is the company policy to not use certain competitor's products, and it was neither time not place to drill down further. How it's enforced, I have no idea.
    - zeusk 5y ago
      Enterprise IT usually have blacklists. Microsoft has teamviewer on the list :/
    - frakkingcylons 5y ago
      Beyond that, if you work at a company that large, they actually have to pay quite a lot to for their employees to use it.
  - blibble 5y ago
    sadly the AWS gui is horrifically slow in Firefox
    - tclancy 5y ago
      Don’t think that’s Firefox. And what does it matter, really? Who cares how fast you can get to the wrong place, realize this looks not quite anything like the screen you are thinking of and have to message a coworker to see if they had bookmarked the screen you really want.
statictype 5y ago
This is only for new screens. They are still committed to fixing IE11 bugs in existing pages for another year. That they are putting that much effort into it at all is surprising and commendable.
- flatiron 5y ago
  Not surprising to me. Tons of gigs I’ve had the corporate browser was locked to IE. mainly because of internal site compatibility. Those poor few IT folk I bet are using AWS for their “voodoo computer magic” they provide those uncaring businesses for everything technical.
  - keithnz 5y ago
    edge has an IE compatibility mode, so there really is no excuse to not upgrade.
    - atatatat 5y ago
      Takes knowledge, work, and capital expense. Tech is a money pit to people that don't understand security. Never forget Sony Pictures.
m0llusk 5y ago
It seems odd that so much is required for basic access. Shouldn't there be some kind of mode that makes a marked up document out of everything and takes basic input?
- andrewxdiamond 5y ago
  The console is rich with features that would be impossible to do with forms and basic input. If you want a slim, performant and functional UI to AWS, just use the CLI.
  - EE84M3i 5y ago
    The CLI lacks discoverability and initial setup wizards. It's not good for your first exposure to an AWS service.
    - Rapzid 5y ago
      Not a counterpoint, but there is an AWS CLI repl/shell out there with suggestions, type-ahead, and etc. I don't use it but I've seen it and it's pretty flash.
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- SilverRed 5y ago
  Basic CSS layout features are missing from IE. If you want have a toolbar with some icons in it, you either have to do some hacky things with negative margins to prevent double margins on the edges or you can set "gap: 10px" on the container. Sure, the negative margins did get the job done, but at what point do you stop wasting all this time doing everything the more complex way to support a browser almost no one uses and has not been updated since 2013.
foolfoolz 5y ago
when will amazon release a browser?
- city41 5y ago
  They do have Silk. It's a skinned Chromium, but that's par for the course these days. https://docs.aws.amazon.com/silk/latest/developerguide/what-is-silk.html https://docs.aws.amazon.com/silk/latest/developerguide/what-...
bagels 5y ago
Wonder if this applies to govcloud/secret AWS too?
- beebs93 5y ago
  Each AWS partition can have its own browser support SLA. China's AWS console has its own [1], although it almost overlaps completely with the "classic" AWS console [2]. For the government/secret partition, I have no clue what their SLA is, but it wouldn't be a leap to assume they may something different. 1: https://www.amazonaws.cn/en/management-console/faqs/ https://www.amazonaws.cn/en/management-console/faqs/ 2: https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/browsers-management-console/ https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/brows...
austincheney 5y ago
Considering that IE was sunset in Nov 2019 and officially becomes abandonware next June this shouldn't be a shock. Microsoft still considers IE to be an operating system component, which suggests that they may arbitrarily remove it from user devices in forth coming security patches following June 2022.
- zamadatix 5y ago
  The UI is already removed in current builds of Windows 11 but the engine remains. That's due to release this year.
- SilverRed 5y ago
  Since edge has an IE mode, there is no reason to not just drop it. Internal sites can keep using compat mode and external sites automatically use the chrome based engine.
h2odragon 5y ago
There should be some sort of global ceremony sometime soon, where ie11 is burned in effigy, torn limb from limb, buried at the stake, etc. Then the healing can begin.
- sebmellen 5y ago
  And out of the ashes creeps mobile Safari with an evil grin on its face…
  - FreakyT 5y ago
    I really hope Epic wins that lawsuit against Apple, not because I particularly care about Epic, but because I'd like to see Apple forced to allow alternative web browsers. Still don't get how it was a problem for Microsoft to "bundle" Internet Explorer, but it's apparently not a problem for Apple to bundle and also actively block any installation of competing browsers.
    - simondotau 5y ago
      What Apple offers is Apple's vision of how they want the products they sell to work. You might not agree with Apple, but that's fine because alternative products are available. Whereas Microsoft was using their operating system monopoly power to mandate how other companies' products could be configured prior to sale to customers. (This distinction is why—in my opinion—Google is in more trouble against Epic than Apple. Because unlike Apple, Google has strong leverage over how other companies' Android devices can work.)
- runawaybottle 5y ago
  It matters not, the web with all it’s features creates subpar UX experiences. That, or scrubs are entering frontend en masse.
pentagrama 5y ago
> AWS Support for Internet Explorer 11 is Ending This title shouldn't be "AWS [admin panels and documentation] Support for Internet Explorer 11 is Ending" or something like that? The title can create a confusion and read as "Services hosted on AWS will not support IE11" and create some freak outs. The things of AWS that will not support AWS are: > AWS Management Console, web-based services such as Amazon Chime or Amazon Honeycode, or other parts of the AWS web site (AWS Documentation, AWS Marketing, AWS Marketplace, or AWS Support). Edit: I realized that I'm being this person with this comment https://xkcd.com/386/ https://xkcd.com/386/

78 points by jeffbarr 5y ago

tim-- 5y ago

I appreciate that Firefox is listed before Chrome in the list of suggested browsers.

bpodgursky 5y ago
Funny that Safari wasn't mentioned.
- JohnTHaller 5y ago
  As Safari is unavailable for Windows, there's no reason to mention it. IE11 users are Windows users, so Safari is unavailable to them.
  - OJFord 5y ago
    I just had a look and can't find anything, but I'm sure that at least used not to be true? I could've sworn when I was using Windows (primarily around XP/Vista) I had it installed. (Along with 'all' other browsers, for no apparent reason.)
    - omgitsabird 5y ago
      https://appleinsider.com/articles/12/07/25/apple_kills_windows_pc_support_in_safari_60 https://appleinsider.com/articles/12/07/25/apple_kills_windo... Apple ended Windows support in Safari 6.0 (2012)
      - arthurcolle 5y ago
        I feel like I definitely had Safari on Windows after that but I believe you
        Wowfunhappy 5y ago
        I mean, you might have, it was just out of date.
    - koyote 5y ago
      It was actually bundled with the god-awful iTunes installer back then, so I am sure quite a few people had it installed unknowningly.
tamcap 5y ago
From an outsider's perspective: AWS has a strong anti-google-tools policy. I appreciate Chrome is listed at all ;-) One time I tried to have a video call with someone higher up in AWS, and they were unable to join a Google Meet call we have scheduled for that meeting (and only realized at t+2m).
- temp_account001 5y ago
  Why were they unable to? Is there some sort of Amazon corporate firewall that prevents access to Google services?
  - rescbr 5y ago
    Probably it was some incompatibility between Google Meet and Firefox ESR.
  - tamcap 5y ago
    Said it is the company policy to not use certain competitor's products, and it was neither time not place to drill down further. How it's enforced, I have no idea.
  - zeusk 5y ago
    Enterprise IT usually have blacklists. Microsoft has teamviewer on the list :/
  - frakkingcylons 5y ago
    Beyond that, if you work at a company that large, they actually have to pay quite a lot to for their employees to use it.
- blibble 5y ago
  sadly the AWS gui is horrifically slow in Firefox
  - tclancy 5y ago
    Don’t think that’s Firefox. And what does it matter, really? Who cares how fast you can get to the wrong place, realize this looks not quite anything like the screen you are thinking of and have to message a coworker to see if they had bookmarked the screen you really want.

statictype 5y ago

This is only for new screens. They are still committed to fixing IE11 bugs in existing pages for another year. That they are putting that much effort into it at all is surprising and commendable.

flatiron 5y ago
Not surprising to me. Tons of gigs I’ve had the corporate browser was locked to IE. mainly because of internal site compatibility. Those poor few IT folk I bet are using AWS for their “voodoo computer magic” they provide those uncaring businesses for everything technical.
- keithnz 5y ago
  edge has an IE compatibility mode, so there really is no excuse to not upgrade.
  - atatatat 5y ago
    Takes knowledge, work, and capital expense. Tech is a money pit to people that don't understand security. Never forget Sony Pictures.

m0llusk 5y ago

It seems odd that so much is required for basic access. Shouldn't there be some kind of mode that makes a marked up document out of everything and takes basic input?

andrewxdiamond 5y ago
The console is rich with features that would be impossible to do with forms and basic input. If you want a slim, performant and functional UI to AWS, just use the CLI.
- EE84M3i 5y ago
  The CLI lacks discoverability and initial setup wizards. It's not good for your first exposure to an AWS service.
  - Rapzid 5y ago
    Not a counterpoint, but there is an AWS CLI repl/shell out there with suggestions, type-ahead, and etc. I don't use it but I've seen it and it's pretty flash.
deleted 5y ago
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SilverRed 5y ago
Basic CSS layout features are missing from IE. If you want have a toolbar with some icons in it, you either have to do some hacky things with negative margins to prevent double margins on the edges or you can set "gap: 10px" on the container. Sure, the negative margins did get the job done, but at what point do you stop wasting all this time doing everything the more complex way to support a browser almost no one uses and has not been updated since 2013.

foolfoolz 5y ago

when will amazon release a browser?

city41 5y ago
They do have Silk. It's a skinned Chromium, but that's par for the course these days. https://docs.aws.amazon.com/silk/latest/developerguide/what-is-silk.html https://docs.aws.amazon.com/silk/latest/developerguide/what-...

bagels 5y ago

Wonder if this applies to govcloud/secret AWS too?

beebs93 5y ago
Each AWS partition can have its own browser support SLA. China's AWS console has its own [1], although it almost overlaps completely with the "classic" AWS console [2]. For the government/secret partition, I have no clue what their SLA is, but it wouldn't be a leap to assume they may something different. 1: https://www.amazonaws.cn/en/management-console/faqs/ https://www.amazonaws.cn/en/management-console/faqs/ 2: https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/browsers-management-console/ https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/brows...

austincheney 5y ago

Considering that IE was sunset in Nov 2019 and officially becomes abandonware next June this shouldn't be a shock. Microsoft still considers IE to be an operating system component, which suggests that they may arbitrarily remove it from user devices in forth coming security patches following June 2022.

zamadatix 5y ago
The UI is already removed in current builds of Windows 11 but the engine remains. That's due to release this year.
SilverRed 5y ago
Since edge has an IE mode, there is no reason to not just drop it. Internal sites can keep using compat mode and external sites automatically use the chrome based engine.

h2odragon 5y ago

There should be some sort of global ceremony sometime soon, where ie11 is burned in effigy, torn limb from limb, buried at the stake, etc. Then the healing can begin.

sebmellen 5y ago
And out of the ashes creeps mobile Safari with an evil grin on its face…
- FreakyT 5y ago
  I really hope Epic wins that lawsuit against Apple, not because I particularly care about Epic, but because I'd like to see Apple forced to allow alternative web browsers. Still don't get how it was a problem for Microsoft to "bundle" Internet Explorer, but it's apparently not a problem for Apple to bundle and also actively block any installation of competing browsers.
  - simondotau 5y ago
    What Apple offers is Apple's vision of how they want the products they sell to work. You might not agree with Apple, but that's fine because alternative products are available. Whereas Microsoft was using their operating system monopoly power to mandate how other companies' products could be configured prior to sale to customers. (This distinction is why—in my opinion—Google is in more trouble against Epic than Apple. Because unlike Apple, Google has strong leverage over how other companies' Android devices can work.)
runawaybottle 5y ago
It matters not, the web with all it’s features creates subpar UX experiences. That, or scrubs are entering frontend en masse.

pentagrama 5y ago

> AWS Support for Internet Explorer 11 is Ending This title shouldn't be "AWS [admin panels and documentation] Support for Internet Explorer 11 is Ending" or something like that? The title can create a confusion and read as "Services hosted on AWS will not support IE11" and create some freak outs. The things of AWS that will not support AWS are: > AWS Management Console, web-based services such as Amazon Chime or Amazon Honeycode, or other parts of the AWS web site (AWS Documentation, AWS Marketing, AWS Marketplace, or AWS Support). Edit: I realized that I'm being this person with this comment https://xkcd.com/386/ https://xkcd.com/386/