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Yeah, must have been those “others” abusing the system while all you were doing was accessing free data in China, Iran and Iraq! Seriously, though, great comme

Yeah, must have been those “others” abusing the system while all you were doing was accessing free data in China, Iran and Iraq! Seriously, though, great comment!

kweks 5y ago
I postulate there are two categories of people: those who assume that if the activity was minimum, the service would continue, and others that assume the service will end, so will pump as much as possible. I'd found it to be invaluable solving the after-landing-before-you-have-a-local-SIM conundrum.
- peterburkimsher 5y ago
  I'm of the latter variety: use it until it ends. It wasn't a Kindle, but another country's prepaid SIM that I continued using while in Japan. Phone companies in Japan don't do prepaid: only phone rentals by the day, or 2 year subscriptions. Neither of those were suitable for the 2 months I lived there. Some international SIM cards would run out of balance and send an SMS as a warning. But others would redirect me to a topup page. Let's just say that wasn't the only page that was available, and the "send this page to a friend" email function is very convenient when Japanese phones have incoming email addresses for sending email-to-SMS. Google calendar used to be a great way to get free email-to-RSS-to-SMS notifications, but that shut down a couple of years ago unfortunately.
  - koyote 5y ago
    > Phone companies in Japan don't do prepaid In case you ever go back: https://www.bmobile.ne.jp/english/ https://www.bmobile.ne.jp/english/ I've used this on several trips and it works well. Unless of course you were living there more permanently, in which case the above is not useful.
    - peterburkimsher 5y ago
      Prepaid where the credit expires after 21 days sounds more like a subscription that lasts 3 weeks and cancels safely. With my current prepaid SIM, I typically top up $5 every 3 months. Between iMessage, WhatsApp/WeChat/KakaoTalk/Skype/Facebook, free incoming calls, and the occasional emergency SMS, I usually don't need a phone. People don't like it when I don't have a local number though.
      - rudian 5y ago
        Are you saying you have a $5/3mo SIM that allows roaming in Japan? Details please? That's cheaper than most plans in any country, let alone roaming.
        peterburkimsher 5y ago
        I don't, sorry! That's how much I use on a prepaid SIM card now in New Zealand, and is typical for my (very low) phone usage.
        unishark 5y ago
        I think they're just adding the minimum amount to prevent the minutes expiring and the phone subsequently being cancelled, which I assume happens after 3 months. They would still have to typical rates pay per minute or MB for any usage.
        peterburkimsher 5y ago
        I add the minimum. In many countries (Switzerland, UK, New Zealand) the minutes don't expire, and the number is mine to keep unless it doesn't connect to a network at all for a year or more. Yes, I pay per minute for outgoing calls, or MB of usage - and those costs are high. That's why I try to use WiFi whenever possible, and use offline maps, offline Wikipedia, etc. https://www.cable.co.uk/mobiles/worldwide-data-pricing/ https://www.cable.co.uk/mobiles/worldwide-data-pricing/
  - 3np 5y ago
    > Phone companies in Japan don't do prepaid: only phone rentals by the day, or 2 year subscriptions. Prepaid data (sans voice/SMS) have been easily accessible at reasonable prices for at least 6 years; they are now ubiquitous and can be bought at electronics stores, airports, and the occasional convenience store. These days the 2y term requirement only applies when you get a plan with a subsidized smartphone or pocket wifi. Though you still need (IIRC) 6 month min on your stay for any subscription, so prepaid or rental is the only way if you stay for shorter. High-speed LTE data is cheap and available but SMS/voice is nigh impossible for non-long-term-residents (which is extra problematic given how practically everything/everyone in Japan assume you can provide a Japanese voice number they can call, and LINE does age verification through your mobile provider).
hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
> Yeah, must have been those “others” abusing the system while all you were doing was accessing free data in China, Iran and Iraq! Seriously, what's the problem with that? That model had a basic web browser, so it was basically designed to be used this way. I used it in emergency situations (without taking the card out) for checking email and the like. It was slow and clumsy, but it worked. It would not occur to me that since I'm abroad I'm doing something wrong because the device was actually advertised as having global Internet connectivity, and it was one of the reasons I bought it.
- judge2020 5y ago
  Not much of a problem, just that a global sim with access to unlimited data in those countries must've cost a fortune for Amazon to maintain once those flat-rate providers realized some "Kindles" were using a lot of unexpected data and asked for more money or a data cap.
  - rudian 5y ago
    It's not abuse if the use is within the terms of use. At most you can just call it a bad deal for Amazon or simply an "advertisement cost" of the phrase "Global access." If anything it's to be applauded that "global" really meant global, not just "yeah global as long as you're in USA, CA, UK, EU, AU, NZ." So many times my "global" MasterCard did not work in some whole country.
  - mike_d 5y ago
    > a global sim with access to unlimited data in those countries must've cost a fortune Nearly every country in the world has at least one mobile network that has a roaming agreement with Deutsche Telekom. They have negotiated rates at high volumes in the cents/GB regardless of local pricing shenanigans. DT is often the local cell providers gateway for international calling, so they have quite a bit of leverage.
  - 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
    Poor Amazon. If only kweks hadn't abused the system, Bezos would have had a few hundred billion more by now.
amelius 5y ago
They said: "emergency data SIM"
SilverRed 5y ago
I interpenetrated the comment as "amazon would not have noticed me alone abusing the system and only noticed after many more jumped on"

Yeah, must have been those “others” abusing the system while all you were doing was accessing free data in China, Iran and Iraq! Seriously, though, great comment!

kweks 5y ago

I postulate there are two categories of people: those who assume that if the activity was minimum, the service would continue, and others that assume the service will end, so will pump as much as possible. I'd found it to be invaluable solving the after-landing-before-you-have-a-local-SIM conundrum.

peterburkimsher 5y ago
I'm of the latter variety: use it until it ends. It wasn't a Kindle, but another country's prepaid SIM that I continued using while in Japan. Phone companies in Japan don't do prepaid: only phone rentals by the day, or 2 year subscriptions. Neither of those were suitable for the 2 months I lived there. Some international SIM cards would run out of balance and send an SMS as a warning. But others would redirect me to a topup page. Let's just say that wasn't the only page that was available, and the "send this page to a friend" email function is very convenient when Japanese phones have incoming email addresses for sending email-to-SMS. Google calendar used to be a great way to get free email-to-RSS-to-SMS notifications, but that shut down a couple of years ago unfortunately.
- koyote 5y ago
  > Phone companies in Japan don't do prepaid In case you ever go back: https://www.bmobile.ne.jp/english/ https://www.bmobile.ne.jp/english/ I've used this on several trips and it works well. Unless of course you were living there more permanently, in which case the above is not useful.
  - peterburkimsher 5y ago
    Prepaid where the credit expires after 21 days sounds more like a subscription that lasts 3 weeks and cancels safely. With my current prepaid SIM, I typically top up $5 every 3 months. Between iMessage, WhatsApp/WeChat/KakaoTalk/Skype/Facebook, free incoming calls, and the occasional emergency SMS, I usually don't need a phone. People don't like it when I don't have a local number though.
    - rudian 5y ago
      Are you saying you have a $5/3mo SIM that allows roaming in Japan? Details please? That's cheaper than most plans in any country, let alone roaming.
      - peterburkimsher 5y ago
        I don't, sorry! That's how much I use on a prepaid SIM card now in New Zealand, and is typical for my (very low) phone usage.
      - unishark 5y ago
        I think they're just adding the minimum amount to prevent the minutes expiring and the phone subsequently being cancelled, which I assume happens after 3 months. They would still have to typical rates pay per minute or MB for any usage.
        peterburkimsher 5y ago
        I add the minimum. In many countries (Switzerland, UK, New Zealand) the minutes don't expire, and the number is mine to keep unless it doesn't connect to a network at all for a year or more. Yes, I pay per minute for outgoing calls, or MB of usage - and those costs are high. That's why I try to use WiFi whenever possible, and use offline maps, offline Wikipedia, etc. https://www.cable.co.uk/mobiles/worldwide-data-pricing/ https://www.cable.co.uk/mobiles/worldwide-data-pricing/
- 3np 5y ago
  > Phone companies in Japan don't do prepaid: only phone rentals by the day, or 2 year subscriptions. Prepaid data (sans voice/SMS) have been easily accessible at reasonable prices for at least 6 years; they are now ubiquitous and can be bought at electronics stores, airports, and the occasional convenience store. These days the 2y term requirement only applies when you get a plan with a subsidized smartphone or pocket wifi. Though you still need (IIRC) 6 month min on your stay for any subscription, so prepaid or rental is the only way if you stay for shorter. High-speed LTE data is cheap and available but SMS/voice is nigh impossible for non-long-term-residents (which is extra problematic given how practically everything/everyone in Japan assume you can provide a Japanese voice number they can call, and LINE does age verification through your mobile provider).

hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago

> Yeah, must have been those “others” abusing the system while all you were doing was accessing free data in China, Iran and Iraq! Seriously, what's the problem with that? That model had a basic web browser, so it was basically designed to be used this way. I used it in emergency situations (without taking the card out) for checking email and the like. It was slow and clumsy, but it worked. It would not occur to me that since I'm abroad I'm doing something wrong because the device was actually advertised as having global Internet connectivity, and it was one of the reasons I bought it.

judge2020 5y ago
Not much of a problem, just that a global sim with access to unlimited data in those countries must've cost a fortune for Amazon to maintain once those flat-rate providers realized some "Kindles" were using a lot of unexpected data and asked for more money or a data cap.
- rudian 5y ago
  It's not abuse if the use is within the terms of use. At most you can just call it a bad deal for Amazon or simply an "advertisement cost" of the phrase "Global access." If anything it's to be applauded that "global" really meant global, not just "yeah global as long as you're in USA, CA, UK, EU, AU, NZ." So many times my "global" MasterCard did not work in some whole country.
- mike_d 5y ago
  > a global sim with access to unlimited data in those countries must've cost a fortune Nearly every country in the world has at least one mobile network that has a roaming agreement with Deutsche Telekom. They have negotiated rates at high volumes in the cents/GB regardless of local pricing shenanigans. DT is often the local cell providers gateway for international calling, so they have quite a bit of leverage.
- 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
  Poor Amazon. If only kweks hadn't abused the system, Bezos would have had a few hundred billion more by now.

amelius 5y ago

They said: "emergency data SIM"

SilverRed 5y ago

I interpenetrated the comment as "amazon would not have noticed me alone abusing the system and only noticed after many more jumped on"