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> Nikola was building barely functional prototypes of their trucks years before Tesla was building barely functional Semi truck prototypes, for the record. If

by rberg 5y ago

> Nikola was building barely functional prototypes of their trucks years before Tesla was building barely functional Semi truck prototypes, for the record. If by "barely functional" you mean a metal skeleton on wheels that rolled down hills, then yes. I'm not a shill for Tesla as they definitely have made very questionable claims in the past, but to claim that Nikola's semi is in any way similar to Tesla is a bit of a stretch.

mcot2 5y ago
This person is a troll. The Tesla semi is not “barely functional”. They have been spotted driving all over the place and doing real world testing on actual highways and in cold weather. Production was already to be started except for a shortage of battery cells (due to the extreme popularity of their existing cars and powerwalls/megapacks) which they are working to remedy.
- __m 5y ago
  The Tesla truck is vaporware https://youtu.be/56862W24HK8 https://youtu.be/56862W24HK8
  - tim333 5y ago
    The reservation page is up, they are talking delivery in 2022.
    - itsoktocry 5y ago
      Like they took delivery in 2019? And in 2022 it will be 2024. And you will continue to think that doesn't matter. If deadlines don't matter why can't Nikola claim the same thing? "It doesn't work yet, but it will?"
      - zeusk 5y ago
        Because Tesla did not demonstrate fake trucks to get funding or take orders. The prototypes are not making materially false implications. Tesla does have the technology to make electric trucks, however bad they may be compared to Nikola which had a rolling shell. Tesla and Musk do many bad things, but I'm sure if their truck was just a shell - they'd be in deep trouble too.
        itsoktocry 5y ago
        >(Because Tesla did not demonstrate fake trucks to get funding or take orders They demonstrated fake Solar shingles though. Then bailed out a related party and did a fundraise on it.
    - __m 5y ago
      It still doesn't say how much it will be able to carry. They'll sell some for the marketing value, but no company will replace their diesel fleet with it
- itsoktocry 5y ago
  >This person is a troll. That's a baseless accusation, where are the mods? >They have been spotted driving all over the place and doing real world testing on actual highways and in cold weather. Prototypes, with zero evidence they can achieve the claimed specifications. If you know otherwise, please, show us all. They are dependent on 4680 cells, which do not exist. They don't even have a factory, and they claimed the trucks would be ready for production 2 years ago. They will probably build something that works at some point in the future. Maybe Nikola could have as well? That is my point, where do you draw the line? Now, what about FSD? And the solar shingles that "print money" that were faked on the set of Desperate Housewives and don't exist to this day? You know, they ones that Tesla shareholders are currently suing for? The ones that Tesla employees claim were fake in the deposition of said lawsuit? The ones you now buy are generic versions from China. What about the boring car tunnels; bit different from the old renderings, aren't they?
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  - borkyborkbork 5y ago
    You have to be a troll if you are trying to convince people that a self propulsive vehicle, and an unpowered structure that can only move by being pushed or rolling down a hill are the same thing.
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    - itsoktocry 5y ago
      If you think the lawsuit is merely about rolling the truck down the hill, as opposed to lying to investors about their current tech, I'm not sure what to tell you. There is zero evidence Tesla has a semitruck that with the range the claim at the price they claim to be able to produce it.
      - Dylan16807 5y ago
itsoktocry 5y ago
>but to claim that Nikola's semi is in any way similar to Tesla is a bit of a stretch. Okay, how much of a stretch? If they would have stuck a nowhere-near-production ready battery and drivetrain system into the Nikola trucks and pretended it was complete, that would have been fine? That probably wouldn't have been difficult, but equally fraudulent.

by rberg 5y ago

mcot2 5y ago

This person is a troll. The Tesla semi is not “barely functional”. They have been spotted driving all over the place and doing real world testing on actual highways and in cold weather. Production was already to be started except for a shortage of battery cells (due to the extreme popularity of their existing cars and powerwalls/megapacks) which they are working to remedy.

__m 5y ago
The Tesla truck is vaporware https://youtu.be/56862W24HK8 https://youtu.be/56862W24HK8
- tim333 5y ago
  The reservation page is up, they are talking delivery in 2022.
  - itsoktocry 5y ago
    Like they took delivery in 2019? And in 2022 it will be 2024. And you will continue to think that doesn't matter. If deadlines don't matter why can't Nikola claim the same thing? "It doesn't work yet, but it will?"
    - zeusk 5y ago
      Because Tesla did not demonstrate fake trucks to get funding or take orders. The prototypes are not making materially false implications. Tesla does have the technology to make electric trucks, however bad they may be compared to Nikola which had a rolling shell. Tesla and Musk do many bad things, but I'm sure if their truck was just a shell - they'd be in deep trouble too.
      - itsoktocry 5y ago
        >(Because Tesla did not demonstrate fake trucks to get funding or take orders They demonstrated fake Solar shingles though. Then bailed out a related party and did a fundraise on it.
  - __m 5y ago
    It still doesn't say how much it will be able to carry. They'll sell some for the marketing value, but no company will replace their diesel fleet with it
itsoktocry 5y ago
>This person is a troll. That's a baseless accusation, where are the mods? >They have been spotted driving all over the place and doing real world testing on actual highways and in cold weather. Prototypes, with zero evidence they can achieve the claimed specifications. If you know otherwise, please, show us all. They are dependent on 4680 cells, which do not exist. They don't even have a factory, and they claimed the trucks would be ready for production 2 years ago. They will probably build something that works at some point in the future. Maybe Nikola could have as well? That is my point, where do you draw the line? Now, what about FSD? And the solar shingles that "print money" that were faked on the set of Desperate Housewives and don't exist to this day? You know, they ones that Tesla shareholders are currently suing for? The ones that Tesla employees claim were fake in the deposition of said lawsuit? The ones you now buy are generic versions from China. What about the boring car tunnels; bit different from the old renderings, aren't they?
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- borkyborkbork 5y ago
  You have to be a troll if you are trying to convince people that a self propulsive vehicle, and an unpowered structure that can only move by being pushed or rolling down a hill are the same thing.
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  - itsoktocry 5y ago
    If you think the lawsuit is merely about rolling the truck down the hill, as opposed to lying to investors about their current tech, I'm not sure what to tell you. There is zero evidence Tesla has a semitruck that with the range the claim at the price they claim to be able to produce it.
    - Dylan16807 5y ago

itsoktocry 5y ago

>but to claim that Nikola's semi is in any way similar to Tesla is a bit of a stretch. Okay, how much of a stretch? If they would have stuck a nowhere-near-production ready battery and drivetrain system into the Nikola trucks and pretended it was complete, that would have been fine? That probably wouldn't have been difficult, but equally fraudulent.