3 ms·

Does this apply to the flu, varicella, meningitis, etc as well?

by mbeattie 5y ago

DrBenCarson 5y ago
I hope so
- mbeattie 5y ago
  I’ve never had a job require me to prove those vaccines to come in.
  - bialpio 5y ago
    They are required if you want to immigrate to the US [1], so I sure hope citizens-by-birth also have to follow similar rules. Maybe you don't need to prove anything because by default people would already either be vaccinated, or had to obtain an exemption? [1] https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-b-chapter-9 https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-b-chapter-...
    - throwawayboise 5y ago
      There are vaccines required to attend public school, but if your parents just say "I refuse" they are not going to kick you out. These hard-core antivaxxers are pretty small in number though.
      - selectodude 5y ago
        >but if your parents just say "I refuse" they are not going to kick you out. Fuck and yes they will. Plenty of school districts will kick you out at this point and forget about going to a university without vaccines. I needed to prove vaccine status to go to graduate school.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
  - 6f8986c3 5y ago
    It's one of those cases where it's required by law, but the law is never enforced. I have applied for visa in multiple countries, attended public schools as well as university, and even had employment contracts specifying current vaccination. I have never had to actually present any of that information. I'm not even sure how I could find it.
    - bialpio 5y ago
      Interesting! So I guess the enforcement will only start when it's needed to get rid of some troublemaker. "-The person is causing us grief, what can we do to expel them? -Check their vaccination status, and look for other normally unenforced rules, there's gotta be something!" I hate selective enforcement of rules / laws. Edit: fixed typo.
abeyer 5y ago
Several of those are essentially required to get a university degree already... so for many people I'm not sure an additional requirement would significantly help things, but it also couldn't hurt. Less transmission of disease in the office would be a good thing as we return.
standardUser 5y ago
The vaccination rate for vericella (Chickenpox) is over 90%, so our society has herd immunity and cases are rare. Same with measles, mumps, diphtheria and polio. I don't know the vaccination for meningitis, but cases are rare and mostly in children not old enough to be vaccinated. If an officemate wanted to be a free rider on one of those they could, and it would be very unlikely any harm would come from it. If we had a 90% vaccination rate for this coronavirus we would not be having this conversation (and several hundred Americans would not be dying daily from a preventable illness). As for the flu, its not especially dangerous, not prone to exponential spread, pre-symptomatic transmission is rare and the vaccines are not especially effective. So the flu shot is in a different class than the others.
- version_five 5y ago
  I don't buy it, even if there was 90% vaccination, which I think we can get to, people want to see obedience. This is as much about calling out heretics as it is about health, especially at companies like google. If broad vaccination was the goal like for other apolitical diseases, there are lots of measures google could support to get us there that don't involve invasive tracking of health information. Let's try to increase vaccine uptake if that's really the goal.
  - ds206 5y ago
    "This is as much about calling out heretics as it is about health" Yes exactly. You can see it happening in these comments right now :)
  - dwhit 5y ago
    That’s a lot of words to say you’re scared of needles.
  - standardUser 5y ago
    "This is as much about calling out heretics as it is about health" No, you're wrong, this is about saving lives. Around 300 people died today from a disease that we can stop. 300 more will die tomorrow. Are there perhaps others sub-agendas that some people are pushing under the cover of the pandemic? Yes, obviously, just like with literally every other catastrophe. But the primary agenda is stopping a preventable disease form killing another 20,000 or 30,000 Americans. Full stop. Also, I find it baffling you think we can get to a 90% vaccination rate given the politicization of this vaccine.

Does this apply to the flu, varicella, meningitis, etc as well?

DrBenCarson 5y ago

I hope so

mbeattie 5y ago
I’ve never had a job require me to prove those vaccines to come in.
- bialpio 5y ago
  They are required if you want to immigrate to the US [1], so I sure hope citizens-by-birth also have to follow similar rules. Maybe you don't need to prove anything because by default people would already either be vaccinated, or had to obtain an exemption? [1] https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-b-chapter-9 https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-b-chapter-...
  - throwawayboise 5y ago
    There are vaccines required to attend public school, but if your parents just say "I refuse" they are not going to kick you out. These hard-core antivaxxers are pretty small in number though.
    - selectodude 5y ago
      >but if your parents just say "I refuse" they are not going to kick you out. Fuck and yes they will. Plenty of school districts will kick you out at this point and forget about going to a university without vaccines. I needed to prove vaccine status to go to graduate school.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
- 6f8986c3 5y ago
  It's one of those cases where it's required by law, but the law is never enforced. I have applied for visa in multiple countries, attended public schools as well as university, and even had employment contracts specifying current vaccination. I have never had to actually present any of that information. I'm not even sure how I could find it.
  - bialpio 5y ago
    Interesting! So I guess the enforcement will only start when it's needed to get rid of some troublemaker. "-The person is causing us grief, what can we do to expel them? -Check their vaccination status, and look for other normally unenforced rules, there's gotta be something!" I hate selective enforcement of rules / laws. Edit: fixed typo.

abeyer 5y ago

Several of those are essentially required to get a university degree already... so for many people I'm not sure an additional requirement would significantly help things, but it also couldn't hurt. Less transmission of disease in the office would be a good thing as we return.

standardUser 5y ago

The vaccination rate for vericella (Chickenpox) is over 90%, so our society has herd immunity and cases are rare. Same with measles, mumps, diphtheria and polio. I don't know the vaccination for meningitis, but cases are rare and mostly in children not old enough to be vaccinated. If an officemate wanted to be a free rider on one of those they could, and it would be very unlikely any harm would come from it. If we had a 90% vaccination rate for this coronavirus we would not be having this conversation (and several hundred Americans would not be dying daily from a preventable illness). As for the flu, its not especially dangerous, not prone to exponential spread, pre-symptomatic transmission is rare and the vaccines are not especially effective. So the flu shot is in a different class than the others.

version_five 5y ago
I don't buy it, even if there was 90% vaccination, which I think we can get to, people want to see obedience. This is as much about calling out heretics as it is about health, especially at companies like google. If broad vaccination was the goal like for other apolitical diseases, there are lots of measures google could support to get us there that don't involve invasive tracking of health information. Let's try to increase vaccine uptake if that's really the goal.
- ds206 5y ago
  "This is as much about calling out heretics as it is about health" Yes exactly. You can see it happening in these comments right now :)
- dwhit 5y ago
  That’s a lot of words to say you’re scared of needles.
- standardUser 5y ago
  "This is as much about calling out heretics as it is about health" No, you're wrong, this is about saving lives. Around 300 people died today from a disease that we can stop. 300 more will die tomorrow. Are there perhaps others sub-agendas that some people are pushing under the cover of the pandemic? Yes, obviously, just like with literally every other catastrophe. But the primary agenda is stopping a preventable disease form killing another 20,000 or 30,000 Americans. Full stop. Also, I find it baffling you think we can get to a 90% vaccination rate given the politicization of this vaccine.