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All WHO approved vaccines? I'm thinking of leaving the country to try to get an inactive virus vaccine. I don't let anyone else run RNA code in my cells. The

All WHO approved vaccines? I'm thinking of leaving the country to try to get an inactive virus vaccine. I don't let anyone else run RNA code in my cells. The attack surface is too large.

papaf 5y ago
I don't let anyone else run RNA code in my cells I think that happens every time you catch a cold.
- TheHypnotist 5y ago
  This is an example of the incredible ignorance around vaccines.
safog 5y ago
What exactly do you imagine will happen if your cells run someone else's RNA code? They already run someone else's RNA code when you get infected by any random virus.
- halfjoking 5y ago
  There are more types of RNA than just mRNA. https://www.livescience.com/25988-rna-versatile-molecules.html https://www.livescience.com/25988-rna-versatile-molecules.ht... I'm not an expert so I'm not going to speculate which type might be used, but the risk that the government is using (soon to be mandatory) shots as a way to insert a biological backdoor into the masses far outweighs the risk of catching covid again. They want backdoors into all software systems... why wouldn't they want a backdoor into your biology? If not now, then what about when we're on our 5th booster? If I was dying on my bed from some crazy variant that the government was fearmongering, I would still think that my risk assessment was valid. I'd have no regrets.
  - majormajor 5y ago
    You shouldn't be willing to have any shot if that's your perception of the threat level. Why create a back door when you're literally opening a front door through the shot? Who gives a shit if it claims to be mRNA or not in that scenario? Don't breathe unfiltered air either. Why not just distribute this backdoor as an aerosol?
    - halfjoking 5y ago
      It's a new technology with new capabilities. That's why VCs are investing billions in RNA tech to treat disease. I'd take the Chinese one because China open-sources their inactive virus vaccine and exports raw materials to other nations to manufacture them: http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2021-01/12/c_139661608.htm http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2021-01/12/c_139661608.htm A plot to add some "secret sauce" to a vaccine wouldn't work in that scenario. Bill Gates on the other hand has said it's impossible for others to manufacture these vaccines because "safety and security issues": https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/bill-gates-believes-covid-19-vaccine-tech-should-not-be-given-to-india-what-he-said-and-why-he-said-it-1798357-2021-05-03 https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/bill-gates-b... I think that's BS. If the vaccine is free - why isn't it open-source? If it's not open-source, why should I trust it?
      - majormajor 5y ago
        You're literally worrying about the security of them and yet claiming someone else being worried about the security of them is spouting BS. I think there's a major lack of internal consistency. You're hyper-worried about one specific threat that relies on a huge unpublished technological leap to create biological backdoors, yet... you aren't worried about other potential unknown tech (e.g. if the government wants new-tech mind control backdoors, they could also research building them as aerosol viruses instead of injected ones, because then the lack of traceability is very attractive compared even with harder delivery) or about other actors abusing the vector of another shot you want (and let's be real - there are security holes in open source software projects all the time!).
        5y ago
yurrzz 5y ago
If you are living in the USA why not get the Johnson and Johnson vaccine?
- tome 5y ago
  This is the third comment I've had to reply to to point out that the J&J vaccine is also based on barely tested technology. Is this really not widely understood? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_vector_vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_vector_vaccine
  - yurrzz 5y ago
    Apparently not.
  - calvano915 5y ago
    It seems that many commentors in this thread believe that the time for questioning has passed regarding EUA vaccines with completely new mechanisms. If it goes wrong later, well don't go blaming any of them since it was all "at-will" and "your choice".
    - silicon2401 5y ago
      Many commenters and members of the public in general don't believe in questioning, full stop. Fauci says XYZ is good, so XYZ is good.
      - dekhn 5y ago
        no, what I don't believe in is bad-faith questioning that is done primarily to create fear, uncertainty, and doubt. From what I can tell, Rand Paul is not operating in good faith, he's specifically saying what he's saying to reduce believe in Fauci's statements.
- halfjoking 5y ago
  This Medcram video explains how J&J vaccine works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13qT7wLxkvU#t=1m30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13qT7wLxkvU#t=1m30s They splice DNA to put in a virus and the end result is exactly the same as the mRNA vaccines - custom spliced RNA code running in your cells.
dekhn 5y ago
you're pretty much letting other people run RNA code in your cells all the time. Thats why your skin is covered in RNAses.

All WHO approved vaccines? I'm thinking of leaving the country to try to get an inactive virus vaccine. I don't let anyone else run RNA code in my cells. The attack surface is too large.

papaf 5y ago

I don't let anyone else run RNA code in my cells I think that happens every time you catch a cold.

TheHypnotist 5y ago
This is an example of the incredible ignorance around vaccines.

safog 5y ago

What exactly do you imagine will happen if your cells run someone else's RNA code? They already run someone else's RNA code when you get infected by any random virus.

halfjoking 5y ago
There are more types of RNA than just mRNA. https://www.livescience.com/25988-rna-versatile-molecules.html https://www.livescience.com/25988-rna-versatile-molecules.ht... I'm not an expert so I'm not going to speculate which type might be used, but the risk that the government is using (soon to be mandatory) shots as a way to insert a biological backdoor into the masses far outweighs the risk of catching covid again. They want backdoors into all software systems... why wouldn't they want a backdoor into your biology? If not now, then what about when we're on our 5th booster? If I was dying on my bed from some crazy variant that the government was fearmongering, I would still think that my risk assessment was valid. I'd have no regrets.
- majormajor 5y ago
  You shouldn't be willing to have any shot if that's your perception of the threat level. Why create a back door when you're literally opening a front door through the shot? Who gives a shit if it claims to be mRNA or not in that scenario? Don't breathe unfiltered air either. Why not just distribute this backdoor as an aerosol?
  - halfjoking 5y ago
    It's a new technology with new capabilities. That's why VCs are investing billions in RNA tech to treat disease. I'd take the Chinese one because China open-sources their inactive virus vaccine and exports raw materials to other nations to manufacture them: http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2021-01/12/c_139661608.htm http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2021-01/12/c_139661608.htm A plot to add some "secret sauce" to a vaccine wouldn't work in that scenario. Bill Gates on the other hand has said it's impossible for others to manufacture these vaccines because "safety and security issues": https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/bill-gates-believes-covid-19-vaccine-tech-should-not-be-given-to-india-what-he-said-and-why-he-said-it-1798357-2021-05-03 https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/bill-gates-b... I think that's BS. If the vaccine is free - why isn't it open-source? If it's not open-source, why should I trust it?
    - majormajor 5y ago
      You're literally worrying about the security of them and yet claiming someone else being worried about the security of them is spouting BS. I think there's a major lack of internal consistency. You're hyper-worried about one specific threat that relies on a huge unpublished technological leap to create biological backdoors, yet... you aren't worried about other potential unknown tech (e.g. if the government wants new-tech mind control backdoors, they could also research building them as aerosol viruses instead of injected ones, because then the lack of traceability is very attractive compared even with harder delivery) or about other actors abusing the vector of another shot you want (and let's be real - there are security holes in open source software projects all the time!).
      - 5y ago

yurrzz 5y ago

If you are living in the USA why not get the Johnson and Johnson vaccine?

tome 5y ago
This is the third comment I've had to reply to to point out that the J&J vaccine is also based on barely tested technology. Is this really not widely understood? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_vector_vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_vector_vaccine
- yurrzz 5y ago
  Apparently not.
- calvano915 5y ago
  It seems that many commentors in this thread believe that the time for questioning has passed regarding EUA vaccines with completely new mechanisms. If it goes wrong later, well don't go blaming any of them since it was all "at-will" and "your choice".
  - silicon2401 5y ago
    Many commenters and members of the public in general don't believe in questioning, full stop. Fauci says XYZ is good, so XYZ is good.
    - dekhn 5y ago
      no, what I don't believe in is bad-faith questioning that is done primarily to create fear, uncertainty, and doubt. From what I can tell, Rand Paul is not operating in good faith, he's specifically saying what he's saying to reduce believe in Fauci's statements.
halfjoking 5y ago
This Medcram video explains how J&J vaccine works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13qT7wLxkvU#t=1m30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13qT7wLxkvU#t=1m30s They splice DNA to put in a virus and the end result is exactly the same as the mRNA vaccines - custom spliced RNA code running in your cells.

dekhn 5y ago

you're pretty much letting other people run RNA code in your cells all the time. Thats why your skin is covered in RNAses.