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Their company, their choice. As an employee, I would very much enjoy the freedom _from_ COVID-19.

h_anna_h 5y ago
Less of this argument please. I would not like companies to have the choice to fire racial minorities just because it is "their company, their choice". Edit: Protected classes is a legal term and is irrelevant to the topic here. If your argument can be used to support a statement or action that you consider incorrect or immoral then it is not a good argument. After all "Their company, their choice." has in fact been used in the past in order to discriminate against minorities. But feel free to replace "racial minorities" with a non-protected class such as "blonde people". Edit2: "You can choose to be vaccinated (minus the obvious medical exceptions), you can't choose your minority status." This is again irrelevant to the topic. I am arguing against the hypocritical "their company, their choice" argument. This new argument is even worse because similarly one can say the disgusting "you can choose to bleach your skin if your company does not like black people".
- fooey 5y ago
  Minorities are a protected class. That argument has no bearing at all on this subject.
- some-guy 5y ago
  You can choose to be vaccinated (minus the obvious medical exceptions), you can't choose your minority status.
  - jakebasile 5y ago
    Of course you can, a minority is determined by population. There are other populations to move to where any given human would no longer be in the minority. This is the same argument being presented here: the employees can just choose to work for another employer.
jakebasile 5y ago
If you're vaccinated, and the vaccine works, how does an unvaccinated person endanger you so greatly that you feel the need to discriminate against them?
- pb7 5y ago
  The variants all come from unvaccinated people. With enough time, a vaccine resistant variant could come around and infect vaccinated folks who are forced to be around you.
  - thisiscorrect 5y ago
    "The variants all come from unvaccinated people." This is not necessarily correct. It's clear by now that none of the widely available SARS-CoV-2 vaccines (or maybe none at all) prevent infection by the virus. [1] discusses the role of vaccination in immune escape. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-021-00573-0 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-021-00573-0
  - jakebasile 5y ago
    So if a company wants to take the other side here and say they only want to work with unvaccinated people, would that be ok too? What if an employer decided not to employ anyone who had received a different medical procedure, such as a splenectomy? If unvaccinated employees can just find other jobs, why can't vaccinated employees just find other jobs?
    - pb7 5y ago
      > So if a company wants to take the other side here and say they only want to work with unvaccinated people, would that be ok too? Sure but outside of politically charged reasons, I can’t see why they would care. It doesn’t pose any danger to them. Same for below. > If unvaccinated employees can just find other jobs, why can't vaccinated employees just find other jobs? They can, if they find themselves at a company that somehow targets those who get vaccinated. It would then be great to make it well known that such company is hostile towards public health and science in general. Can’t imagine they would last long as a business with the type of staff they retain.

Less of this argument please. I would not like companies to have the choice to fire racial minorities just because it is "their company, their choice". Edit: Protected classes is a legal term and is irrelevant to the topic here. If your argument can be used to support a statement or action that you consider incorrect or immoral then it is not a good argument. After all "Their company, their choice." has in fact been used in the past in order to discriminate against minorities. But feel free to replace "racial minorities" with a non-protected class such as "blonde people". Edit2: "You can choose to be vaccinated (minus the obvious medical exceptions), you can't choose your minority status." This is again irrelevant to the topic. I am arguing against the hypocritical "their company, their choice" argument. This new argument is even worse because similarly one can say the disgusting "you can choose to bleach your skin if your company does not like black people".

fooey 5y ago
Minorities are a protected class. That argument has no bearing at all on this subject.
some-guy 5y ago
You can choose to be vaccinated (minus the obvious medical exceptions), you can't choose your minority status.
- jakebasile 5y ago
  Of course you can, a minority is determined by population. There are other populations to move to where any given human would no longer be in the minority. This is the same argument being presented here: the employees can just choose to work for another employer.

jakebasile 5y ago

If you're vaccinated, and the vaccine works, how does an unvaccinated person endanger you so greatly that you feel the need to discriminate against them?

pb7 5y ago
The variants all come from unvaccinated people. With enough time, a vaccine resistant variant could come around and infect vaccinated folks who are forced to be around you.
- thisiscorrect 5y ago
  "The variants all come from unvaccinated people." This is not necessarily correct. It's clear by now that none of the widely available SARS-CoV-2 vaccines (or maybe none at all) prevent infection by the virus. [1] discusses the role of vaccination in immune escape. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-021-00573-0 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-021-00573-0
- jakebasile 5y ago
  So if a company wants to take the other side here and say they only want to work with unvaccinated people, would that be ok too? What if an employer decided not to employ anyone who had received a different medical procedure, such as a splenectomy? If unvaccinated employees can just find other jobs, why can't vaccinated employees just find other jobs?
  - pb7 5y ago
    > So if a company wants to take the other side here and say they only want to work with unvaccinated people, would that be ok too? Sure but outside of politically charged reasons, I can’t see why they would care. It doesn’t pose any danger to them. Same for below. > If unvaccinated employees can just find other jobs, why can't vaccinated employees just find other jobs? They can, if they find themselves at a company that somehow targets those who get vaccinated. It would then be great to make it well known that such company is hostile towards public health and science in general. Can’t imagine they would last long as a business with the type of staff they retain.