4 ms·

This is deceptive, though. The "deep fake" is essentially building on the CGI de-aged product. If they'd started with deepfake it likely wouldn't have yielded

This is deceptive, though. The "deep fake" is essentially building on the CGI de-aged product. If they'd started with deepfake it likely wouldn't have yielded this level of result.

burnte 5y ago
I disagree, deepfaking completely replaces the face. It doesn't ahve to be close to start with. Check this one out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=861gfPVmgdc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=861gfPVmgdc
- ad404b8a372f2b9 5y ago
  It doesn't have to be close but it helps a lot both the quality of the results and the convergence speed if both faces are similar. In movies you don't usually have the luxury of choosing the original face you want to replace, but for people who make memes (or porn), you commonly choose a source video featuring someone that resembles the person you want to put in.
  - seph-reed 5y ago
    > In movies you don't usually have the luxury of choosing the original face you want to replace Hiring an actor that roughly resembles the person you're trying to deep fake seems doable.
411111111111111 5y ago
Uuuh, why? I can't imagine a reason why the deaged video would've improved the deep fake version. If anything, it should've reduced it's quality by adding incorrect data which could confuse the model.
- ad404b8a372f2b9 5y ago
  The default model for deepfakes is an autoencoder. The encoder and decoder will converge faster and to simpler solutions if the distributions of original faces and fake faces are closer. It's an intuitive result even ignoring the specific model. It takes less information to go to and from similar faces than it does two completely dissimilar ones.
vernie 5y ago
I'm inclined to agree and I'd be interested to see this process applied to some of the raw footage featured in the the award season campaign. It's also worth noting that in addition to de-aging they also changed De Niro's eye color.
planb 5y ago
Well, Robert DeNero's face still has the same proportions and bone structure, so taking the original video as a starting point would probably yield the same results.
TrevorJ 5y ago
That would still be an effective technique for big-budget films if the net result is an improvement on the state of the art. (Which I think it does seem to be).

This is deceptive, though. The "deep fake" is essentially building on the CGI de-aged product. If they'd started with deepfake it likely wouldn't have yielded this level of result.

burnte 5y ago

I disagree, deepfaking completely replaces the face. It doesn't ahve to be close to start with. Check this one out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=861gfPVmgdc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=861gfPVmgdc

ad404b8a372f2b9 5y ago
It doesn't have to be close but it helps a lot both the quality of the results and the convergence speed if both faces are similar. In movies you don't usually have the luxury of choosing the original face you want to replace, but for people who make memes (or porn), you commonly choose a source video featuring someone that resembles the person you want to put in.
- seph-reed 5y ago
  > In movies you don't usually have the luxury of choosing the original face you want to replace Hiring an actor that roughly resembles the person you're trying to deep fake seems doable.

411111111111111 5y ago

Uuuh, why? I can't imagine a reason why the deaged video would've improved the deep fake version. If anything, it should've reduced it's quality by adding incorrect data which could confuse the model.

ad404b8a372f2b9 5y ago
The default model for deepfakes is an autoencoder. The encoder and decoder will converge faster and to simpler solutions if the distributions of original faces and fake faces are closer. It's an intuitive result even ignoring the specific model. It takes less information to go to and from similar faces than it does two completely dissimilar ones.

vernie 5y ago

I'm inclined to agree and I'd be interested to see this process applied to some of the raw footage featured in the the award season campaign. It's also worth noting that in addition to de-aging they also changed De Niro's eye color.

planb 5y ago

Well, Robert DeNero's face still has the same proportions and bone structure, so taking the original video as a starting point would probably yield the same results.

TrevorJ 5y ago

That would still be an effective technique for big-budget films if the net result is an improvement on the state of the art. (Which I think it does seem to be).