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Sweden is being shot up

56 points by Red_Tarsius 5y ago

Proven 5y ago
Who could have known.
- hmsshagatsea 5y ago
  They downvote you for speaking the truth
908B64B197 5y ago
It seems crime has been on the rise since the latest wave of migrants started coming to Sweden. [0][1][2] With global warming and lax immigration policies the country will probably experience massive waves of climatic migrants in the not so distant future. I wonder what Swedes think of the current situation. [0] https://time.com/4182186/sweden-feminists-sexual-assault-refugees/ https://time.com/4182186/sweden-feminists-sexual-assault-ref... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269764 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269764 [2] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6095121/Eight-10-stranger-rapes-Sweden-carried-migrants-study-reveals.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6095121/Eight-10-st...
- hereforphone 5y ago
  Some theorize it's been on the rise since the first waves of migrants from the Middle East. But no one in power is really eager to keep track of such things, so the public perception of the situation may lag the reality by a large amount of time. Such is the reality of politics.
artichokes 5y ago
It's so sad what white supremacy makes people do.
wassenaar10 5y ago
Europeans discover that the continent is not made of magic dirt that assimilates migrants into your society upon entry. Europeans also discover that weapons restrictions only go so far when you have active organized criminal groups with the initiative and contacts necessary to smuggle firearms and grenades into Western/Northern Europe from a number of regions (Ex-Yugoslavia, Albania, former Soviet Union, North Africa, etc.) that are only a car-ride or fishing boat trip away.
- 988747 5y ago
  In order to assimilate migrants you have to have strong identity that they find appealing. The problem Europe has is that it no longer has any identity. It tries to build itself on the values like tolerance, but what does tolerance even mean? The easiest way to be tolerant is to do not have any strong opinions on any matter, then you can tolerate everything. The only downside is - you lose your own identity along the way.
  - ub99 5y ago
    What identity did Europe have in the past? There are many independent countries on the continent. Countries with a long and unique history... and many of those countries still have a strong identity. It's bizarre how many commenters on HN seem to treat Europe as a single entity that is failing both ideologically and financially.
    - jimmygrapes 5y ago
      Off the top of my head: common law (sometimes codified), Catholic/Christian morality (as an accepted ideal) and ritual (less important but still cultural glue), lessons learned from the French Revolution, and some significant "my old enemy is my friend vs these new strangers" mentality born over hundreds/thousands of years of war with each other while natural geographic barriers mostly reduced interaction in the populace with those of particularly different looks (aka "racism" except far more nuanced).
      - 5y ago
aaomidi 5y ago
Comments here are really focusing on blaming migrants for this but not the extreme inequality migrants and the hosts have between them. Also, going and doing petty wars around the world has consequences. Here let me get one more going: after trump left the JCPOA, Europe basically did nothing about it. Now there's a revolution going on in Iran. Where do you think a big portion of that population is going to escape to? Europe, your actions have consequences. You're a good portion of the reason for migrants having to migrate from their countries. You're also still part of the reason why there's so much of a wealth difference between you and the average migrant. And then it's again an issue where you keep passing laws fucking over migrants. Can't have hijab during work now? Really? Is this the important thing to spend your time on? These are all going to create instability. Until you start ACTUALLY treating humans as humans, you're going to be subject to shit like this.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  Maybe aggressive able bodied young men should take their country's future in their own hands instead of bringing problems to Europe? Worked for France and America.
  - aaomidi 5y ago
    > Maybe aggressive able bodied young men should take their country's future in their own hands instead of bringing problems to Europe? Sure, maybe stop interfering with their country then? Also, it's still going to be Europe's problems for generations after the west generally stops interfering with other countries. Until then, "deal with it."
    - 908B64B197 5y ago
      > Also, it's still going to be Europe's problems for generations after the west generally stops interfering with other countries. Until then, "deal with it." The electorate already is, and strong borders are becoming more and more popular among the citizens of many Europeans countries. Making the choice not to integrate has consequences, for everyone.
barbarbar 5y ago
A lot of comments are about migrants. But there is a bit more to it. Most of this violence steems from gangs. And most of the actors are young men. And many are born in Sweden. But there are usually no problems with the young girls who are usually able to make very good results in the education system. Whereas the young boys have problems in school and end up in gangs. So part of the problem is how young boys are raised in families with "non-western" background.

56 points by Red_Tarsius 5y ago

Proven 5y ago

Who could have known.

hmsshagatsea 5y ago
They downvote you for speaking the truth

908B64B197 5y ago

It seems crime has been on the rise since the latest wave of migrants started coming to Sweden. [0][1][2] With global warming and lax immigration policies the country will probably experience massive waves of climatic migrants in the not so distant future. I wonder what Swedes think of the current situation. [0] https://time.com/4182186/sweden-feminists-sexual-assault-refugees/ https://time.com/4182186/sweden-feminists-sexual-assault-ref... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269764 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269764 [2] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6095121/Eight-10-stranger-rapes-Sweden-carried-migrants-study-reveals.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6095121/Eight-10-st...

hereforphone 5y ago
Some theorize it's been on the rise since the first waves of migrants from the Middle East. But no one in power is really eager to keep track of such things, so the public perception of the situation may lag the reality by a large amount of time. Such is the reality of politics.

artichokes 5y ago

It's so sad what white supremacy makes people do.

wassenaar10 5y ago

Europeans discover that the continent is not made of magic dirt that assimilates migrants into your society upon entry. Europeans also discover that weapons restrictions only go so far when you have active organized criminal groups with the initiative and contacts necessary to smuggle firearms and grenades into Western/Northern Europe from a number of regions (Ex-Yugoslavia, Albania, former Soviet Union, North Africa, etc.) that are only a car-ride or fishing boat trip away.

988747 5y ago
In order to assimilate migrants you have to have strong identity that they find appealing. The problem Europe has is that it no longer has any identity. It tries to build itself on the values like tolerance, but what does tolerance even mean? The easiest way to be tolerant is to do not have any strong opinions on any matter, then you can tolerate everything. The only downside is - you lose your own identity along the way.
- ub99 5y ago
  What identity did Europe have in the past? There are many independent countries on the continent. Countries with a long and unique history... and many of those countries still have a strong identity. It's bizarre how many commenters on HN seem to treat Europe as a single entity that is failing both ideologically and financially.
  - jimmygrapes 5y ago
    Off the top of my head: common law (sometimes codified), Catholic/Christian morality (as an accepted ideal) and ritual (less important but still cultural glue), lessons learned from the French Revolution, and some significant "my old enemy is my friend vs these new strangers" mentality born over hundreds/thousands of years of war with each other while natural geographic barriers mostly reduced interaction in the populace with those of particularly different looks (aka "racism" except far more nuanced).
    - 5y ago

aaomidi 5y ago

Comments here are really focusing on blaming migrants for this but not the extreme inequality migrants and the hosts have between them. Also, going and doing petty wars around the world has consequences. Here let me get one more going: after trump left the JCPOA, Europe basically did nothing about it. Now there's a revolution going on in Iran. Where do you think a big portion of that population is going to escape to? Europe, your actions have consequences. You're a good portion of the reason for migrants having to migrate from their countries. You're also still part of the reason why there's so much of a wealth difference between you and the average migrant. And then it's again an issue where you keep passing laws fucking over migrants. Can't have hijab during work now? Really? Is this the important thing to spend your time on? These are all going to create instability. Until you start ACTUALLY treating humans as humans, you're going to be subject to shit like this.

908B64B197 5y ago
Maybe aggressive able bodied young men should take their country's future in their own hands instead of bringing problems to Europe? Worked for France and America.
- aaomidi 5y ago
  > Maybe aggressive able bodied young men should take their country's future in their own hands instead of bringing problems to Europe? Sure, maybe stop interfering with their country then? Also, it's still going to be Europe's problems for generations after the west generally stops interfering with other countries. Until then, "deal with it."
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    > Also, it's still going to be Europe's problems for generations after the west generally stops interfering with other countries. Until then, "deal with it." The electorate already is, and strong borders are becoming more and more popular among the citizens of many Europeans countries. Making the choice not to integrate has consequences, for everyone.

barbarbar 5y ago

A lot of comments are about migrants. But there is a bit more to it. Most of this violence steems from gangs. And most of the actors are young men. And many are born in Sweden. But there are usually no problems with the young girls who are usually able to make very good results in the education system. Whereas the young boys have problems in school and end up in gangs. So part of the problem is how young boys are raised in families with "non-western" background.