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The primary point of jailbreaking is to be able to run native apps not approved by or banned by Apple and that is something you still cannot do.

by dpedu 5y ago

isodev 5y ago
Yes, it’s very unfortunate when an app is not available for some reason. In most cases it’s a valid reason - the app is malicious, poorly made or somehow in conflict with local law. Also imagine if you are an app developer an suddenly your project (on which you’ve spent countless hours of hard work) is unexpectedly leaked as freely available for download and side-loading. I’m not talking big Corps like epic and blizzard … but people like you and me. Open source apps can be loaded easily, so developers who really want to make their stuff available can still do so and users won’t need to hack their phones to get such apps. But of course this can’t happen en masse.
- dpedu 5y ago
  The affect of piracy is generally overstated and commonly bundled with the (incorrect) belief that a pirate would instead be a paying customer if the piracy option was not available.
  - draugadrotten 5y ago
    The Steam model appears to be way better. I am buying 10x more things on Steam than I will ever have time to use, while I generally avoid Appstore as much as possible for Mac apps (and even for phone apps when there is an alternative) The psychology of the Steam store is very different from the Appstore.
    - danieldk 5y ago
      while I generally avoid Appstore as much as possible for Mac apps Interesting, I do the opposite. When something is available in the Mac App Store or through other means, I will generally buy it in the App Store. Why? Application sandboxing is mandatory for Mac App Store apps and I strongly prefer that applications are sandboxed by default. The second, less important, reason is that I can just install the applications with just one click and don't have to download them from different places, look up their serial numbers, etc.
      - realityking 5y ago
        Agreed. I‘ve even rebought some apps on the App Store just for the security and convenience. That said, I‘m struggling with the constraints Apple puts on the business models of developers, for example when it comes to upgrade pricing. While I have a fair amount of software Mac/iOS subscriptions running (8 by my current count) there‘s definitely software I passed on because it moved to a subscription model.
jsjohnst 5y ago
> that is something you still cannot do Factually wrong. You can run apps on iOS without jailbreaking that weren’t approved by Apple, or even ones banned by Apple. This has been true for years. Yes, the required resigning of the app every seven days is a major hindrance, but it is still something you very much CAN do.
- dpedu 5y ago
  That's true but becoming a developer is outside what's being discussed here. Non-developers jailbreak too. Let alone the extra expense and equipment besides the phone itself you're going to need.
  - jsjohnst 5y ago
    > That's true but becoming a developer is outside what's being discussed here. Pure anecdata, but the vast majority of folks I see talking about AltStore outside HN are not developers. YMMV!
- techrat 5y ago
  A temporary cert only able to be created on another Apple system is not what I would say is an 'allowing' of running third party apps. It is a kludge designed to make the process as unpleasant as possible but just so enough that Apple can claim they don't block sideloading. It's disingenuous.
  - jsjohnst 5y ago
    > A temporary cert only able to be created on another Apple system You don’t need an Apple system to codesign. Two results on first page of search results: https://github.com/zhlynn/zsign https://github.com/zhlynn/zsign https://weisser-zwerg.dev/posts/ios-app-without-mac/ https://weisser-zwerg.dev/posts/ios-app-without-mac/ > make the process as unpleasant as possible but just so enough that Apple can claim they don't block sideloading Apple doesn’t claim they don’t block side-loading. Actually I believe they claim the opposite in the Epic case (even though it is possible via a supported process) because it was “necessary to ensure the safety of their user base” or something like that. > It's disingenuous Shifting goal posts from “you can’t” to “you can’t without X” once someone points out the first was factually incorrect is considered disingenuous by many too. (Edit for formatting and provide links)

The primary point of jailbreaking is to be able to run native apps not approved by or banned by Apple and that is something you still cannot do.

by dpedu 5y ago

The primary point of jailbreaking is to be able to run native apps not approved by or banned by Apple and that is something you still cannot do.

isodev 5y ago

Yes, it’s very unfortunate when an app is not available for some reason. In most cases it’s a valid reason - the app is malicious, poorly made or somehow in conflict with local law. Also imagine if you are an app developer an suddenly your project (on which you’ve spent countless hours of hard work) is unexpectedly leaked as freely available for download and side-loading. I’m not talking big Corps like epic and blizzard … but people like you and me. Open source apps can be loaded easily, so developers who really want to make their stuff available can still do so and users won’t need to hack their phones to get such apps. But of course this can’t happen en masse.

dpedu 5y ago
The affect of piracy is generally overstated and commonly bundled with the (incorrect) belief that a pirate would instead be a paying customer if the piracy option was not available.
- draugadrotten 5y ago
  The Steam model appears to be way better. I am buying 10x more things on Steam than I will ever have time to use, while I generally avoid Appstore as much as possible for Mac apps (and even for phone apps when there is an alternative) The psychology of the Steam store is very different from the Appstore.
  - danieldk 5y ago
    while I generally avoid Appstore as much as possible for Mac apps Interesting, I do the opposite. When something is available in the Mac App Store or through other means, I will generally buy it in the App Store. Why? Application sandboxing is mandatory for Mac App Store apps and I strongly prefer that applications are sandboxed by default. The second, less important, reason is that I can just install the applications with just one click and don't have to download them from different places, look up their serial numbers, etc.
    - realityking 5y ago
      Agreed. I‘ve even rebought some apps on the App Store just for the security and convenience. That said, I‘m struggling with the constraints Apple puts on the business models of developers, for example when it comes to upgrade pricing. While I have a fair amount of software Mac/iOS subscriptions running (8 by my current count) there‘s definitely software I passed on because it moved to a subscription model.

jsjohnst 5y ago

> that is something you still cannot do Factually wrong. You can run apps on iOS without jailbreaking that weren’t approved by Apple, or even ones banned by Apple. This has been true for years. Yes, the required resigning of the app every seven days is a major hindrance, but it is still something you very much CAN do.

dpedu 5y ago
That's true but becoming a developer is outside what's being discussed here. Non-developers jailbreak too. Let alone the extra expense and equipment besides the phone itself you're going to need.
- jsjohnst 5y ago
  > That's true but becoming a developer is outside what's being discussed here. Pure anecdata, but the vast majority of folks I see talking about AltStore outside HN are not developers. YMMV!
techrat 5y ago
A temporary cert only able to be created on another Apple system is not what I would say is an 'allowing' of running third party apps. It is a kludge designed to make the process as unpleasant as possible but just so enough that Apple can claim they don't block sideloading. It's disingenuous.
- jsjohnst 5y ago
  > A temporary cert only able to be created on another Apple system You don’t need an Apple system to codesign. Two results on first page of search results: https://github.com/zhlynn/zsign https://github.com/zhlynn/zsign https://weisser-zwerg.dev/posts/ios-app-without-mac/ https://weisser-zwerg.dev/posts/ios-app-without-mac/ > make the process as unpleasant as possible but just so enough that Apple can claim they don't block sideloading Apple doesn’t claim they don’t block side-loading. Actually I believe they claim the opposite in the Epic case (even though it is possible via a supported process) because it was “necessary to ensure the safety of their user base” or something like that. > It's disingenuous Shifting goal posts from “you can’t” to “you can’t without X” once someone points out the first was factually incorrect is considered disingenuous by many too. (Edit for formatting and provide links)