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Facebook and tech giants to target attacker manifestos, far-right in database

42 points by dukeofdoom 5y ago

stronglikedan 5y ago
Seems awfully lopsided. Wonder how that will play out.
Kharvok 5y ago
So they are going to monitor the FBI plants instigating several of these plots?
- mc32 5y ago
  I still think it's good for the FBI to monitor and infiltrate organizations seeking to destabilize the govt or cause violence be they on the right or left. I totally disagree with them being the instigators and then finding vulnerable and gullible subjects and then patting themselves for flipping people into being bad guys and gals.
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    Do you have an example of such an organization that seeks to destabilize the government?
ehayes 5y ago
"Everything I don't like is far-right"
TechBro8615 5y ago
Glenn Greenwald warned this would happen in 2013 – the definition of terrorism will continue to gradually expand to include harmful speech against the government. Now it’s actually happening, Greenwald is still here and refreshingly consistent in his perspective, and yet for some reason it’s become popular to question the credibility of the things he says based on where he says them. It’s crazy enough that half this country is eager to slide down this slippery slope. But what’s even crazier is it’s the same half of the country that would have been completely opposed to it just eight years ago.
- iammisc 5y ago
  As a former democrat, now republican, I am honesty extremely surprised that it's the right being targeted. In 2002, I would have sworn the citizen databases would have been listing leftists. Reality is stranger than fiction.
  - jdhn 5y ago
    >In 2002, I would have sworn the citizen databases would have been listing leftists I'm sure that when Republicans come back into power, the left will be targeted as well.
    - mc32 5y ago
      So you're saying it should be opposed now so it's not abused by anyone in power?
    - igravious 5y ago
      > Facebook and tech giants to target attacker manife... not dependent on who is in .gov Wouldn't you say that Big Tech (along with most of Big Media) has shown itself to have a (D) bias?
      - kokanator 5y ago
        It is true statistically. Big Media is generally Left Biased.[0] [0] https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444 https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444
        igravious 5y ago
        Yo, thanks for this. The same should be ideological placement analysis should be done for Social Media – which is after all a type of Media and where lots of people get their news nowadays even if these places aren't the originators of the news. I feel like this isn't a controversial thing to say.
    - 5y ago
boba7 5y ago
What's new? HN shadowbans any account that speak out. Expect boba8 soon.
CoryAlexMartin 5y ago
Free speech has never been perfect. Heterodox ideas are often wrong, and sometimes those ideas have a cost. But sometimes, heterodox ideas are right, and absolutely crucial to us making progress. The latter category of ideas is the main reason why we have free speech. But, it's not so easy to discern the heterodoxy we need from the heterodoxy we don't, and it is far too dangerous to entrust anyone with that responsibility. It is very easy to suppress important information by accident, and obviously very easy to do so on purpose. Facebook has already demonstrated the danger of censorship, their own incompetence, and the flaws of relying on orthodox-aligned sources. Up until recently, they were suppressing the lab leak hypothesis. That hypothesis is now considered plausible.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  I think the Covid information policies are a good example why information control by government should be rejected. Not because of the lab leak or not, just because of the aggressive nature of their interventions. Funny that something that is generally true made clear of the negatives of governmental influence on information. Meanwhile EU and US executive wants to get rid of encryption. I think it is prudent to put up a strong wall where their ideas can disintegrate explicitly.
throwjul262021 5y ago
This article appears to have been removed from HN. It is not on the first 10 pages of this site.

42 points by dukeofdoom 5y ago

stronglikedan 5y ago

Seems awfully lopsided. Wonder how that will play out.

Kharvok 5y ago

So they are going to monitor the FBI plants instigating several of these plots?

mc32 5y ago
I still think it's good for the FBI to monitor and infiltrate organizations seeking to destabilize the govt or cause violence be they on the right or left. I totally disagree with them being the instigators and then finding vulnerable and gullible subjects and then patting themselves for flipping people into being bad guys and gals.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  Do you have an example of such an organization that seeks to destabilize the government?

ehayes 5y ago

"Everything I don't like is far-right"

TechBro8615 5y ago

Glenn Greenwald warned this would happen in 2013 – the definition of terrorism will continue to gradually expand to include harmful speech against the government. Now it’s actually happening, Greenwald is still here and refreshingly consistent in his perspective, and yet for some reason it’s become popular to question the credibility of the things he says based on where he says them. It’s crazy enough that half this country is eager to slide down this slippery slope. But what’s even crazier is it’s the same half of the country that would have been completely opposed to it just eight years ago.

iammisc 5y ago
As a former democrat, now republican, I am honesty extremely surprised that it's the right being targeted. In 2002, I would have sworn the citizen databases would have been listing leftists. Reality is stranger than fiction.
- jdhn 5y ago
  >In 2002, I would have sworn the citizen databases would have been listing leftists I'm sure that when Republicans come back into power, the left will be targeted as well.
  - mc32 5y ago
    So you're saying it should be opposed now so it's not abused by anyone in power?
  - igravious 5y ago
    > Facebook and tech giants to target attacker manife... not dependent on who is in .gov Wouldn't you say that Big Tech (along with most of Big Media) has shown itself to have a (D) bias?
    - kokanator 5y ago
      It is true statistically. Big Media is generally Left Biased.[0] [0] https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444 https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444
      - igravious 5y ago
        Yo, thanks for this. The same should be ideological placement analysis should be done for Social Media – which is after all a type of Media and where lots of people get their news nowadays even if these places aren't the originators of the news. I feel like this isn't a controversial thing to say.
  - 5y ago

boba7 5y ago

What's new? HN shadowbans any account that speak out. Expect boba8 soon.

CoryAlexMartin 5y ago

Free speech has never been perfect. Heterodox ideas are often wrong, and sometimes those ideas have a cost. But sometimes, heterodox ideas are right, and absolutely crucial to us making progress. The latter category of ideas is the main reason why we have free speech. But, it's not so easy to discern the heterodoxy we need from the heterodoxy we don't, and it is far too dangerous to entrust anyone with that responsibility. It is very easy to suppress important information by accident, and obviously very easy to do so on purpose. Facebook has already demonstrated the danger of censorship, their own incompetence, and the flaws of relying on orthodox-aligned sources. Up until recently, they were suppressing the lab leak hypothesis. That hypothesis is now considered plausible.

raxxorrax 5y ago
I think the Covid information policies are a good example why information control by government should be rejected. Not because of the lab leak or not, just because of the aggressive nature of their interventions. Funny that something that is generally true made clear of the negatives of governmental influence on information. Meanwhile EU and US executive wants to get rid of encryption. I think it is prudent to put up a strong wall where their ideas can disintegrate explicitly.

throwjul262021 5y ago

This article appears to have been removed from HN. It is not on the first 10 pages of this site.