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Israel begins lockdown on 8 August 2021 for only the unvaccinated

26 points by wsc981 5y ago

dustinmoris 5y ago
I have been double vaccinated, so I don't care what others do, because I believe in the vaccine that it protects me, otherwise why the f*k would I even have gotten it in the first place. And no, people don't need to get vaccinated to protect the vulnerable. The vulnerable will not escape an endemic virus. Sooner or later they will get it so if they cannot get a vaccine themselves then they will have to either fight it off or die. It's kind of how nature works, one day something will have to kill you. And I also reject all that nonsense that people must get vaccinated to create herd immunity. People, especially young people can also get immunity through infection. I had COVID and I was immune since then. I got the vaccine still because I believe in science, but I don't believe in tyranny and that is textbook tyranny. Kim Jong-un or Adolf couldn't do it better.
- 0xbadcafebee 5y ago
  You know what they say: "having strong opinions is better than having accurate scientific information."
  - captainredbeard 5y ago
    It’s not a question of information accuracy, it’s a fundamental philosophical dispute regarding agency. Freedom vs control
    - sseagull 5y ago
      Society at large always has control over individuals if it deems it beneficial for the society as a whole. See: restrictions on dangerous weapons, childhood vaccinations, taxes, mandatory evacuation orders, safety regulations, …
      - deleted 5y ago
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      - natmaka 5y ago
        Some of those restrictions do not create any risk. AFAIK all other ones are disputed.
- nextaccountic 5y ago
  > And no, people don't need to get vaccinated to protect the vulnerable. The vulnerable will not escape an endemic virus. This is not true. We can eradicate a virus without vaccinating every single person. That's how we eradicated smallpox. > And I also reject all that nonsense that people must get vaccinated to create herd immunity. People, especially young people can also get immunity through infection. I had COVID and I was immune since then. People, even young people, can die from Covid. Or get long term lung damage and other side effects.
  - jjgreen 5y ago
    Smallpox is the only human disease where this has happened so far, what do you think are the chances of doing the same with C19?
    - auspex 5y ago
      It won’t happen. There’s reservoirs in the animal population already. Even if every human was cleared of virus eventually there would be outbreaks again.
  - captainredbeard 5y ago
    It’s the individual’s choice. Medical tyranny due to mass fear is still tyranny.
    - chii 5y ago
      > It’s the individual’s choice to choose to not get vaccinated when it's not medically necessary for you to avoid it means you are endangering those who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons. Freedom of choice can only extend to actions that have no effect on others.
      - jjgreen 5y ago
        All actions have effects on others -- you conclude that we cannot have freedom of choice, i.e., freedom?
ndury 5y ago
I feel truely upset for the citizens of Israel. It's a shame your government is doing this to you.
- loonster 5y ago
  Policies like this may spark a civil war.
  - ndury 5y ago
    Perhaps, who knows.. It's very ironic to me that most of the c19 cases/infections in Israel are amongst the population who're vaccinated. Edit: typo.
  - identitynull 5y ago
    Inshallah.
- ndury 5y ago
  I like how i'm being downvoted without constructive feedback. Shoutout to every downvoter
- identitynull 5y ago
  Israelis have killed family members of mine for the crime of living in an apartment building that happened to contain a couple of Hamas members. I have no sympathy for Israel, whatsoever. They take pride in murdering my people and stealing our homes. That whole neighborhood is now a very charming, up and coming, gentrifying Israeli settlement filled with nice patriotic young jewish families. Stolen in the name of Abraham because of those 2 alleged Hamas members.
  - ndury 5y ago
    > Israelis have killed family members of mine for the crime of living in an apartment building that happened to contain a couple of Hamas members. Reading this is heart breaking, I'm sorry for your losses. I personally do not approve of the actions Israel is taking against Palestine but unfortunately this is an entirely different conversation and going there will probably cause disagreement across the board, causing posts to be flagged and/or removed.
jeffrallen 5y ago
A tweet reply says, "It's not a lock down. This is a requirement for tests of the unvaccinated, and this time at their expense and not at the expense of the state."
identitynull 5y ago
I wish we could lockdown Israel, keep their soldiers, their backpackers and their politicians from infecting the rest of the world with their zionism. Dirty thieving murderers.
- joelbluminator 5y ago
  What is Zionism to you ? The word means different things to different people. Bernie Sanders is (according to him) a Zionist, is he a thieving murderer?
  - identitynull 5y ago
    Jews think that they are better, more special" than the rest of the world, because of their silly books, and this sense of entitlement is what has both caused all of their historical problems and justified all of their modern atrocities. Can I create a religion, and use that religion to steal your home? If you fight back against me for stealing your home, can I kill your children and say I did it in the name of my god, and then the world will say "OK we're cool with that"? A few years back I backpacked into Kosovo from Macedonia with a bunch of people I met at a Hostel. There were 2 Israelis backpacking the world after having done their offensive service, as Israelis tend to do. After the rest of us had crossed, these guys spent a solid 30 minutes trying to haggle with the border guard, who eventually got tired of the nonsense, stamped a denial on their passports, and physically pushed away from the doors. That's pretty much my experience with every occupier I've met in Palestine and New York. They weren't just being cheap, they clearly felt entitled to something more than the rest of us goyim. As to bernie sanders? Shrug. He's just another loud-mouthed New Yorker who speaks instead of listening and tries to force his ideas of righteousness on a populace who primarily disagrees with him. Sounds about right bro.
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26 points by wsc981 5y ago

I have been double vaccinated, so I don't care what others do, because I believe in the vaccine that it protects me, otherwise why the f*k would I even have gotten it in the first place. And no, people don't need to get vaccinated to protect the vulnerable. The vulnerable will not escape an endemic virus. Sooner or later they will get it so if they cannot get a vaccine themselves then they will have to either fight it off or die. It's kind of how nature works, one day something will have to kill you. And I also reject all that nonsense that people must get vaccinated to create herd immunity. People, especially young people can also get immunity through infection. I had COVID and I was immune since then. I got the vaccine still because I believe in science, but I don't believe in tyranny and that is textbook tyranny. Kim Jong-un or Adolf couldn't do it better.

0xbadcafebee 5y ago
You know what they say: "having strong opinions is better than having accurate scientific information."
- captainredbeard 5y ago
  It’s not a question of information accuracy, it’s a fundamental philosophical dispute regarding agency. Freedom vs control
  - sseagull 5y ago
    Society at large always has control over individuals if it deems it beneficial for the society as a whole. See: restrictions on dangerous weapons, childhood vaccinations, taxes, mandatory evacuation orders, safety regulations, …
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
    - natmaka 5y ago
      Some of those restrictions do not create any risk. AFAIK all other ones are disputed.
nextaccountic 5y ago
> And no, people don't need to get vaccinated to protect the vulnerable. The vulnerable will not escape an endemic virus. This is not true. We can eradicate a virus without vaccinating every single person. That's how we eradicated smallpox. > And I also reject all that nonsense that people must get vaccinated to create herd immunity. People, especially young people can also get immunity through infection. I had COVID and I was immune since then. People, even young people, can die from Covid. Or get long term lung damage and other side effects.
- jjgreen 5y ago
  Smallpox is the only human disease where this has happened so far, what do you think are the chances of doing the same with C19?
  - auspex 5y ago
    It won’t happen. There’s reservoirs in the animal population already. Even if every human was cleared of virus eventually there would be outbreaks again.
- captainredbeard 5y ago
  It’s the individual’s choice. Medical tyranny due to mass fear is still tyranny.
  - chii 5y ago
    > It’s the individual’s choice to choose to not get vaccinated when it's not medically necessary for you to avoid it means you are endangering those who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons. Freedom of choice can only extend to actions that have no effect on others.
    - jjgreen 5y ago
      All actions have effects on others -- you conclude that we cannot have freedom of choice, i.e., freedom?

ndury 5y ago

I feel truely upset for the citizens of Israel. It's a shame your government is doing this to you.

loonster 5y ago
Policies like this may spark a civil war.
- ndury 5y ago
  Perhaps, who knows.. It's very ironic to me that most of the c19 cases/infections in Israel are amongst the population who're vaccinated. Edit: typo.
- identitynull 5y ago
  Inshallah.
ndury 5y ago
I like how i'm being downvoted without constructive feedback. Shoutout to every downvoter
identitynull 5y ago
Israelis have killed family members of mine for the crime of living in an apartment building that happened to contain a couple of Hamas members. I have no sympathy for Israel, whatsoever. They take pride in murdering my people and stealing our homes. That whole neighborhood is now a very charming, up and coming, gentrifying Israeli settlement filled with nice patriotic young jewish families. Stolen in the name of Abraham because of those 2 alleged Hamas members.
- ndury 5y ago
  > Israelis have killed family members of mine for the crime of living in an apartment building that happened to contain a couple of Hamas members. Reading this is heart breaking, I'm sorry for your losses. I personally do not approve of the actions Israel is taking against Palestine but unfortunately this is an entirely different conversation and going there will probably cause disagreement across the board, causing posts to be flagged and/or removed.

jeffrallen 5y ago

A tweet reply says, "It's not a lock down. This is a requirement for tests of the unvaccinated, and this time at their expense and not at the expense of the state."

identitynull 5y ago

I wish we could lockdown Israel, keep their soldiers, their backpackers and their politicians from infecting the rest of the world with their zionism. Dirty thieving murderers.

joelbluminator 5y ago
What is Zionism to you ? The word means different things to different people. Bernie Sanders is (according to him) a Zionist, is he a thieving murderer?
- identitynull 5y ago
  Jews think that they are better, more special" than the rest of the world, because of their silly books, and this sense of entitlement is what has both caused all of their historical problems and justified all of their modern atrocities. Can I create a religion, and use that religion to steal your home? If you fight back against me for stealing your home, can I kill your children and say I did it in the name of my god, and then the world will say "OK we're cool with that"? A few years back I backpacked into Kosovo from Macedonia with a bunch of people I met at a Hostel. There were 2 Israelis backpacking the world after having done their offensive service, as Israelis tend to do. After the rest of us had crossed, these guys spent a solid 30 minutes trying to haggle with the border guard, who eventually got tired of the nonsense, stamped a denial on their passports, and physically pushed away from the doors. That's pretty much my experience with every occupier I've met in Palestine and New York. They weren't just being cheap, they clearly felt entitled to something more than the rest of us goyim. As to bernie sanders? Shrug. He's just another loud-mouthed New Yorker who speaks instead of listening and tries to force his ideas of righteousness on a populace who primarily disagrees with him. Sounds about right bro.
  - deleted 5y ago
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