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There’s a large (the vast majority), who think what is happening to Assange is a travesty. Many of those same people don’t do anything about it. They still vot

There’s a large (the vast majority), who think what is happening to Assange is a travesty. Many of those same people don’t do anything about it. They still vote the same exact way they have for 15-20 years, they don’t get active and write anyone, etc. The real travesty about Assange is that he’s not even a US citizen. He tried to reach out to the state department to redact sections and they refused to respond. Then they go after him for publishing what some other person leaked. Not only that, but the leaker had a publicly funded transition and a short prison sentence. Assange is charged and has endured much worse. My principles (and many others) still stand. But our “deep state” doesn’t represent the majority.

mioasndo 5y ago
> There’s a large (the vast majority), who think what is happening to Assange is a travesty. Not sure that's true, go to reddit for example, and you'll see the majority are already brainwashed into thinking Assange is a Russian asset. US mainstream media is working on it overtime.
- freeflight 5y ago
  And Reddit is usually on the more "enlightened" end on such topics, at least used to be. Ask some random person on the street about Assange and the best they can come up with is probably something about fleeing from the Swedish police for rape, something Russian agent, maybe something about how he treats his cat horribly or doesn't clean his toilet properly. The Five Eyed propaganda machine [0] was very effective in smearing him, and even Snowden, among the general public in these past years. [0] https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
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- fettucini 5y ago
  I don't give a rat's ass whether Assange is a Russian asset or not: trying to drag him to the USA and prosecute him is criminal behavior, both in the USA and in most other countries. What a political clusterfuck it is for the USA to be pursuing Assange today! The situation underscores how sick, twisted and psychopathic are his American pursuers.
- lettergram 5y ago
  I’ve watched Reddit devolve into mostly bots with shills these days... First they banned many communities and users who was right leaning or even moderate in the past two years. Then you just have an echo chamber plus propaganda and bots are everywhere. Finally, Reddit is the whole world, not the US. Many of the US specific boards were more right leaning and have been banned.
  - rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago
    "Right leaning", really? Or far-right extremists who conspire to support or defend attempts of coup d'état?
    - baud147258 5y ago
      most were already banned at this point
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - raxxorrax 5y ago
      The Viking really seems to have caused some traumata. If that is your excuse to compromise on freedom of expression, than you don't support it in the first place. Just be honest with it then.
    - leereeves 5y ago
      Have you completely forgotten 2020? After a year in which forcefully occupying government buildings was regarded as legitimate protest; a year with over 500 riots, for which arrested rioters were generally not prosecuted; Democrats have no credibility when they complain about the right occupying one government building. What you've done there is pure partisanship: defining "the other side" by the worst among them while ignoring the behavior of the worst among your own side.
  - l332mn 5y ago
    Reddit is definitely not the whole world. It's heavily dominated by people from the US and western europe, and heavily biased towards the the mainstream western propaganda narrative. Reddit is an active target for propagandists (i.e. intelligence communities). Votes and recommendations for news articles are not at all based purely on interest and activity, it's being pushed by actors with various agendas.
aaron_m04 5y ago
> They still vote the same exact way they have for 15-20 years, they don’t get active and write anyone, etc. It seems impossible to fix this (or even improve the situation) with voting. Both parties seem to be in agreement on how they would treat Assange. They only differ on unrelated hot button issues.
- fsflover 5y ago
  Yes, I think that non-profits like Amnesty International or Electronic Frontier Foundation is the answer on what to do here.
tehjoker 5y ago
How can you vote differently when you always get two nearly identical candidates and the system has been engineered from the late 1800s to only accept two parties (the last real third party being parts of the populist movement)? To be frank, I think we have a one party state with a global military dictatorship.
- sdoering 5y ago
  Not an American,but born and raised in Germany. For about 20 years now, I have gotten used to a motto (see below). I had this motto in mind after I once witnessed how political decisions were made within one of the youth organizations of one of the two mainstream parties here in Germany and was disgusted by it. > The parliament is the theater, which is performed, so that the citizen believes to live in a democracy. While the actual power is exercised elsewhere.
- lettergram 5y ago
  I agree, so do many Americans. That’s what elected trump btw... a populist movement effectively trying to take over the Republican Party. In my opinion, it’s also why the corporate media then attacked him (who btw I think is an idiot and don’t support) I think it becomes more and more obvious by the day you’re correct. I honestly didn’t see it this way until some of the stuff in 2021. Case in point So... 12 / 18 people in the michigan plot to capture the governor and stormed the court house were feds (FBI agents or informants directed by FBI). From the buzzfeed news article... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kenbensinger/michigan-kidnapping-gretchen-whitmer-fbi-informant https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kenbensinger/michigan-k... > Panic rising, Dan slipped away from the group for a moment and spoke into the recording device he was carrying, which he knew was being monitored live by his FBI handlers. The Watchmen, he said, were preparing to breach the Capitol. The agents couldn’t speak back to him, but he hoped they could at least warn the police about what was coming. > Then something surprising happened. The Michigan State Police stood down and let the protesters — including those in full tactical gear — enter the building unopposed. They could even bring their guns, so long as they submitted to a temperature check for COVID-19. Media goes wild and blames Trump few weeks pre-election. In reality, the documents filed in court make it look like the fbi entrapped people (remains to be seen in court).

mioasndo 5y ago

> There’s a large (the vast majority), who think what is happening to Assange is a travesty. Not sure that's true, go to reddit for example, and you'll see the majority are already brainwashed into thinking Assange is a Russian asset. US mainstream media is working on it overtime.

freeflight 5y ago
And Reddit is usually on the more "enlightened" end on such topics, at least used to be. Ask some random person on the street about Assange and the best they can come up with is probably something about fleeing from the Swedish police for rape, something Russian agent, maybe something about how he treats his cat horribly or doesn't clean his toilet properly. The Five Eyed propaganda machine [0] was very effective in smearing him, and even Snowden, among the general public in these past years. [0] https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
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fettucini 5y ago
I don't give a rat's ass whether Assange is a Russian asset or not: trying to drag him to the USA and prosecute him is criminal behavior, both in the USA and in most other countries. What a political clusterfuck it is for the USA to be pursuing Assange today! The situation underscores how sick, twisted and psychopathic are his American pursuers.
lettergram 5y ago
I’ve watched Reddit devolve into mostly bots with shills these days... First they banned many communities and users who was right leaning or even moderate in the past two years. Then you just have an echo chamber plus propaganda and bots are everywhere. Finally, Reddit is the whole world, not the US. Many of the US specific boards were more right leaning and have been banned.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago
  "Right leaning", really? Or far-right extremists who conspire to support or defend attempts of coup d'état?
  - baud147258 5y ago
    most were already banned at this point
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    The Viking really seems to have caused some traumata. If that is your excuse to compromise on freedom of expression, than you don't support it in the first place. Just be honest with it then.
  - leereeves 5y ago
    Have you completely forgotten 2020? After a year in which forcefully occupying government buildings was regarded as legitimate protest; a year with over 500 riots, for which arrested rioters were generally not prosecuted; Democrats have no credibility when they complain about the right occupying one government building. What you've done there is pure partisanship: defining "the other side" by the worst among them while ignoring the behavior of the worst among your own side.
- l332mn 5y ago
  Reddit is definitely not the whole world. It's heavily dominated by people from the US and western europe, and heavily biased towards the the mainstream western propaganda narrative. Reddit is an active target for propagandists (i.e. intelligence communities). Votes and recommendations for news articles are not at all based purely on interest and activity, it's being pushed by actors with various agendas.

aaron_m04 5y ago

> They still vote the same exact way they have for 15-20 years, they don’t get active and write anyone, etc. It seems impossible to fix this (or even improve the situation) with voting. Both parties seem to be in agreement on how they would treat Assange. They only differ on unrelated hot button issues.

fsflover 5y ago
Yes, I think that non-profits like Amnesty International or Electronic Frontier Foundation is the answer on what to do here.

tehjoker 5y ago

How can you vote differently when you always get two nearly identical candidates and the system has been engineered from the late 1800s to only accept two parties (the last real third party being parts of the populist movement)? To be frank, I think we have a one party state with a global military dictatorship.

sdoering 5y ago
Not an American,but born and raised in Germany. For about 20 years now, I have gotten used to a motto (see below). I had this motto in mind after I once witnessed how political decisions were made within one of the youth organizations of one of the two mainstream parties here in Germany and was disgusted by it. > The parliament is the theater, which is performed, so that the citizen believes to live in a democracy. While the actual power is exercised elsewhere.
lettergram 5y ago
I agree, so do many Americans. That’s what elected trump btw... a populist movement effectively trying to take over the Republican Party. In my opinion, it’s also why the corporate media then attacked him (who btw I think is an idiot and don’t support) I think it becomes more and more obvious by the day you’re correct. I honestly didn’t see it this way until some of the stuff in 2021. Case in point So... 12 / 18 people in the michigan plot to capture the governor and stormed the court house were feds (FBI agents or informants directed by FBI). From the buzzfeed news article... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kenbensinger/michigan-kidnapping-gretchen-whitmer-fbi-informant https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kenbensinger/michigan-k... > Panic rising, Dan slipped away from the group for a moment and spoke into the recording device he was carrying, which he knew was being monitored live by his FBI handlers. The Watchmen, he said, were preparing to breach the Capitol. The agents couldn’t speak back to him, but he hoped they could at least warn the police about what was coming. > Then something surprising happened. The Michigan State Police stood down and let the protesters — including those in full tactical gear — enter the building unopposed. They could even bring their guns, so long as they submitted to a temperature check for COVID-19. Media goes wild and blames Trump few weeks pre-election. In reality, the documents filed in court make it look like the fbi entrapped people (remains to be seen in court).