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You think being pressured to get the vaccine will have a 1000x worse effect than being pressured to not get the vaccine? Based on what data?

guilhas 5y ago
That is dumb comment, you are talking about the outcome, which we don't know since we are injecting experimental vaccines The post and original comment is just about the pressure to get, or not get, vaccinated, not the outcome
- pcbro141 5y ago
  We don't know if the vaccine is effective at decreasing the chance of death from covid? Based on what data?
  - guilhas 5y ago
    Another dumb comment. It does decrease the chance of death in the short term, but that is not the outcome since it might get everyone killed next winter or in 3 years with some effect condition caused by the experimental vaccine that we do not comprehend now The outcome is lets says in 10 what is the excess death compared to before we started covid vaccination, or unvaccinated people
    - solarkraft 5y ago
      Issues with vaccines are typically caught within months, in the first few trials. No reason this should be different.
      - guilhas 5y ago
        The facts stand. The vaccines are still emergency approved, so they still need to be actually approved as safe. And clinical trials are still ongoing At least until January 2023 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer%E2%80%93BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer%E2%80%93BioNTech_COVI...
    - dTal 5y ago
      Just because you don't comprehend vaccines (plural - you know there are multiple right?) doesn't mean that nobody does. There's no conceivable mechanism by which people would drop dead three years from now. And sure you can say "ah but what if we've missed something", but that argument applies equally to the banana I had for lunch - you can't prove it won't cause Armageddon in a hundred years! Maybe I should have played it safe and not eaten it? At some point you have to draw a line and say yes, I understand how the world works well enough to make intelligent decisions. And if you don't, then listen to those who do. (It should at least be clear to everyone that not vaccinating definitely kills people, right now, at scale. You're going to need a lot of evidence - specific, direct evidence - that the risk of bad consequences of vaccination is somehow worse than that.)
      - guilhas 5y ago
        I do comprehend, that is why I will not get vaccinated, until they actually approve a vaccine without being for emergency use. Or for example approve Novavax which is not as experimental as mRNA vaccines Or even Sputnik V looks safer than what's currently emergency approved in EU
        jitl 5y ago
        Johnson & Johnson is a traditional “deactivated virus” vaccine.
        raphlinus 5y ago
        No, J&J (also known as Janssen) is an adenovirus vector vaccine, as are Sputnik V and AstraZeneca. The main inactivated virus vaccines are Chinese CoronaVac and Indian Covaxin (VLA2001 is in trials also). The Novavax is a protein subunit vaccine, which is also more traditional vaccine technology than mRNA or even adenovirus vector.
      - mikeblackson 5y ago
        >>that argument applies equally to the banana I had for lunch Billions of people have eaten bananas similar to the variety you had for lunch for hundreds or even thousands of years. When dealing with complex systems, do humans have any test that is more reliable than time?
  - t0bia_s 5y ago
    https://swprs.org/covid-vaccines-deaths/ https://swprs.org/covid-vaccines-deaths/ But you should confront your opinion with reality instaed of data, that are manipulated and can be interpreted many ways. How many people did you know personaly that was killed by covid?

guilhas 5y ago

That is dumb comment, you are talking about the outcome, which we don't know since we are injecting experimental vaccines The post and original comment is just about the pressure to get, or not get, vaccinated, not the outcome

pcbro141 5y ago
We don't know if the vaccine is effective at decreasing the chance of death from covid? Based on what data?
- guilhas 5y ago
  Another dumb comment. It does decrease the chance of death in the short term, but that is not the outcome since it might get everyone killed next winter or in 3 years with some effect condition caused by the experimental vaccine that we do not comprehend now The outcome is lets says in 10 what is the excess death compared to before we started covid vaccination, or unvaccinated people
  - solarkraft 5y ago
    Issues with vaccines are typically caught within months, in the first few trials. No reason this should be different.
    - guilhas 5y ago
      The facts stand. The vaccines are still emergency approved, so they still need to be actually approved as safe. And clinical trials are still ongoing At least until January 2023 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer%E2%80%93BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer%E2%80%93BioNTech_COVI...
  - dTal 5y ago
    Just because you don't comprehend vaccines (plural - you know there are multiple right?) doesn't mean that nobody does. There's no conceivable mechanism by which people would drop dead three years from now. And sure you can say "ah but what if we've missed something", but that argument applies equally to the banana I had for lunch - you can't prove it won't cause Armageddon in a hundred years! Maybe I should have played it safe and not eaten it? At some point you have to draw a line and say yes, I understand how the world works well enough to make intelligent decisions. And if you don't, then listen to those who do. (It should at least be clear to everyone that not vaccinating definitely kills people, right now, at scale. You're going to need a lot of evidence - specific, direct evidence - that the risk of bad consequences of vaccination is somehow worse than that.)
    - guilhas 5y ago
      I do comprehend, that is why I will not get vaccinated, until they actually approve a vaccine without being for emergency use. Or for example approve Novavax which is not as experimental as mRNA vaccines Or even Sputnik V looks safer than what's currently emergency approved in EU
      - jitl 5y ago
        Johnson & Johnson is a traditional “deactivated virus” vaccine.
        raphlinus 5y ago
        No, J&J (also known as Janssen) is an adenovirus vector vaccine, as are Sputnik V and AstraZeneca. The main inactivated virus vaccines are Chinese CoronaVac and Indian Covaxin (VLA2001 is in trials also). The Novavax is a protein subunit vaccine, which is also more traditional vaccine technology than mRNA or even adenovirus vector.
    - mikeblackson 5y ago
      >>that argument applies equally to the banana I had for lunch Billions of people have eaten bananas similar to the variety you had for lunch for hundreds or even thousands of years. When dealing with complex systems, do humans have any test that is more reliable than time?
- t0bia_s 5y ago
  https://swprs.org/covid-vaccines-deaths/ https://swprs.org/covid-vaccines-deaths/ But you should confront your opinion with reality instaed of data, that are manipulated and can be interpreted many ways. How many people did you know personaly that was killed by covid?