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UBI has the fundamental problem of not addressing inequality, but further fueling greater inequality. It is essentially a free license for those economically ab

UBI has the fundamental problem of not addressing inequality, but further fueling greater inequality. It is essentially a free license for those economically abusing employees and anonymous others to continue unchecked, and, frankly, double down because now their economically captured serfs have their guards down and their employers can push more healthcare expenses their way, and there will be a huge jump in multi-level marketing within UBI communities, and several more eyeball rolling developments. The answer to all our woes is that unpopular Education Funding issue. No UBI would be needed with a nation of educated self-actualizers, rather than the nation of marginally educated workers with blinders on and kids that need far more attention they they can give. That's the society we have created thus far. If UBI were in a form such as "free room and board and spending money as long as one is in school, thru a PhD if one wants", I might think differently. As it is being formulated now, it is a recipe for Mr. Obvious to say "look, UBI does not work, it created this giant worse than before mess".

AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
> Education Funding issue I understand you're talking about college education. But I can't avoid mentioning my beloved Baltimore School District. Awesome funding. Shitty results. [1] https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/baltimore-city-schools-graduation-rate-drops-to-six-year-low https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/baltimore-ci... [2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2021/03/30/baltimore-city-public-schools-promoted-student-with-013-gpa-while-spending-a-14-billion-budget https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2021/03/30/bal... [3] https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statistics https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statisti...
- giantg2 5y ago
  I had a friend who worked at the Baltimore Aquarium. The workers there had college degrees in stuff like biology and were only paid about $30k per year. Yet they had about a dozen executives making salaries that were 10x higher. Your link with salaries made me think about that.
  - AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
    I understand glassdoor.com [1] data should be taken with a grain of salt, but from what I see there $30k is a fairly junior position and most exec salaries are around $100-150k. It doesn't strike me as something being completely out of whack. [1] https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/National-Aquarium-Baltimore-Salaries-EI_IE32646.0,17_IL.18,27_IM63.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/National-Aquarium-Baltimore...
    - giantg2 5y ago
      Seems pretty terrible for a position that requires college and is not the cheapest of areas to live in... safely (he needed roommates and still lived in an area with crime, including a guy getting shot a couple houses down). That's $15/hr. You can earn that working at Lowe's or Walmart and not take on $60k of debt. At that wage, you're basically just paying interest. He also said there's basically no mobility. A guy he knew was there for closet to 20 years, got good reviews, etc, and was still only making about $45k as a supervisor who also filled other roles.
lelanthran 5y ago
> If UBI were in a form such as "free room and board and spending money as long as one is in school, thru a PhD if one wants", I might think differently. Yes, you'll have a society filled with gender studies[1] graduates. [1] Or any other coaster program.

AlexTWithBeard 5y ago

> Education Funding issue I understand you're talking about college education. But I can't avoid mentioning my beloved Baltimore School District. Awesome funding. Shitty results. [1] https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/baltimore-city-schools-graduation-rate-drops-to-six-year-low https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/baltimore-ci... [2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2021/03/30/baltimore-city-public-schools-promoted-student-with-013-gpa-while-spending-a-14-billion-budget https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2021/03/30/bal... [3] https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statistics https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statisti...

giantg2 5y ago
I had a friend who worked at the Baltimore Aquarium. The workers there had college degrees in stuff like biology and were only paid about $30k per year. Yet they had about a dozen executives making salaries that were 10x higher. Your link with salaries made me think about that.
- AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
  I understand glassdoor.com [1] data should be taken with a grain of salt, but from what I see there $30k is a fairly junior position and most exec salaries are around $100-150k. It doesn't strike me as something being completely out of whack. [1] https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/National-Aquarium-Baltimore-Salaries-EI_IE32646.0,17_IL.18,27_IM63.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/National-Aquarium-Baltimore...
  - giantg2 5y ago
    Seems pretty terrible for a position that requires college and is not the cheapest of areas to live in... safely (he needed roommates and still lived in an area with crime, including a guy getting shot a couple houses down). That's $15/hr. You can earn that working at Lowe's or Walmart and not take on $60k of debt. At that wage, you're basically just paying interest. He also said there's basically no mobility. A guy he knew was there for closet to 20 years, got good reviews, etc, and was still only making about $45k as a supervisor who also filled other roles.

lelanthran 5y ago

> If UBI were in a form such as "free room and board and spending money as long as one is in school, thru a PhD if one wants", I might think differently. Yes, you'll have a society filled with gender studies[1] graduates. [1] Or any other coaster program.