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Actually it's interesting. There have always been those who believed in voluntary communism and opposed capital "C" "Communism" where the state controls everyth

Actually it's interesting. There have always been those who believed in voluntary communism and opposed capital "C" "Communism" where the state controls everything. These people have identified as "libertarian communists" or "anarchist communists" where "anarchist" does not mean "chaos" or anything of the sort, but describes a process of questioning and dismantling hierarchy, replacing it with collectively governed voluntary systems. I recently had a conversation with someone about this who is a libertarian capitalist, and they found a few videos I shared intriguing, so I've just put them into a playlist to share with you. It starts with a 2 minute video that describes things in high level terms and then subsequent videos provide more detail. I think you might like it! https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP0dfLFk-anf00e9_YBWy83SW7j-H8ah1 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP0dfLFk-anf00e9_YBWy...

imtringued 5y ago
Now that I think about it. The whole capitalism vs communism debate is stupid. The flaws in capitalism are obvious and simple. Everything derives from it, even communism. Instead of fixing the leaking pipe everyone tries to build something akin to a teleportation system to catch all the leaking drops of water to send them back into the water tower so that they can leak out again and be caught by the system. Kids, your money is broken. Money is the mirror image of debt and someone took that mirror image hostage. You still need the mirror image. The only thing you can do is shrug and create a new mirror image by creating new debt until the day the hostage is returned. What if you don't want to create new debt? Rescue the hostage. That will never happen because people will deny reality for as long as possible. It actually takes someone who will force reality upon you, either the US government or the Fed. The former is prone to denying reality as well. The latter is unable to force reality onto people. If denying reality is the fundamental problem then no ideology will ever fix it. Communism will suffer from other problems because it is just a different mechanism, it didn't change the humans that are part of it.
- TaylorAlexander 5y ago
  Denying reality is what allows it to continue, but the root of the problem is the structure of power in the world. The goal of libertarian communism is to decentralize power as much as is feasible and give people a say in their own lives. So getting people to face reality is a key part of making the necessary changes. This is why all revolutionary ideologies include education as one of the first steps. So yes, if you cannot educate then you cannot make changes which require voluntary collective agreement. But I don't think it's impossible to educate. The real problem is that counter-revolutionary forces have a lot of money and power to "educate" in their own way, and manipulate us in to accepting unjust systems. In its simplest form, anarchism is a process of questioning existing power structures. And some are legitimate and can be justified. But those that have no legitimate purpose must be dismantled. Libertarian communism is a method of organization that aims to build a foundation for an economy without massive power imbalances. Really, I'd encourage you to look at the playlist I linked in my above comment, and let me know what you think.

imtringued 5y ago

Now that I think about it. The whole capitalism vs communism debate is stupid. The flaws in capitalism are obvious and simple. Everything derives from it, even communism. Instead of fixing the leaking pipe everyone tries to build something akin to a teleportation system to catch all the leaking drops of water to send them back into the water tower so that they can leak out again and be caught by the system. Kids, your money is broken. Money is the mirror image of debt and someone took that mirror image hostage. You still need the mirror image. The only thing you can do is shrug and create a new mirror image by creating new debt until the day the hostage is returned. What if you don't want to create new debt? Rescue the hostage. That will never happen because people will deny reality for as long as possible. It actually takes someone who will force reality upon you, either the US government or the Fed. The former is prone to denying reality as well. The latter is unable to force reality onto people. If denying reality is the fundamental problem then no ideology will ever fix it. Communism will suffer from other problems because it is just a different mechanism, it didn't change the humans that are part of it.

TaylorAlexander 5y ago
Denying reality is what allows it to continue, but the root of the problem is the structure of power in the world. The goal of libertarian communism is to decentralize power as much as is feasible and give people a say in their own lives. So getting people to face reality is a key part of making the necessary changes. This is why all revolutionary ideologies include education as one of the first steps. So yes, if you cannot educate then you cannot make changes which require voluntary collective agreement. But I don't think it's impossible to educate. The real problem is that counter-revolutionary forces have a lot of money and power to "educate" in their own way, and manipulate us in to accepting unjust systems. In its simplest form, anarchism is a process of questioning existing power structures. And some are legitimate and can be justified. But those that have no legitimate purpose must be dismantled. Libertarian communism is a method of organization that aims to build a foundation for an economy without massive power imbalances. Really, I'd encourage you to look at the playlist I linked in my above comment, and let me know what you think.