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if they "violently and successfully interrupted a core democratic process", why do you think the charges being levied against these terrorists are so light? Wh

if they "violently and successfully interrupted a core democratic process", why do you think the charges being levied against these terrorists are so light? Why no charges of insurrection?

selectodude 5y ago
Some of the more serious charges being levied such as "Assault on a federal officer with physical contact and intent to commit another felony" come with penalties more severe than insurrection charges.
- a_conservative 5y ago
  my point is that there is inconsistency between popular descriptions of jan6 and the charges. If jan6 was as bad as many say it was, then we should expect to see not only serious indictments, but also convictions.
  - belltaco 5y ago
    Did you miss the conviction with a 8 month prison sentence a few days ago? Other convictions are in the pipeline.
    - the_optimist 5y ago
      Highlighting the remarkably long sentence for “interrupting an official proceeding” actually undermines your argument.
- nonethewiser 5y ago
  But to be clear, there are no insurrection or terrorism related charges. The point is it does not meet the definition of insurrection.
the_optimist 5y ago
Obviously this wasn’t an “insurrection,” and the people using that inflammatory language are hyperventilating to crack down on dissidents. We even know that FBI agents were involved in setting this up (although the full extent of involvement is unknown). It’s no different from China or Cuba. Perhaps more insidious than what you’d see in Russia.
- foolinaround 5y ago
  many of those arrested are in 23 hour solitary for the past months without any charges filed on them... ( no, this is not in Guantanamo Bay, but right here in the heart of USA, right under the nose of the 'free' press ) No substantial charges will likely be filed too, simply because the evidence is not there. Those here on HN who had hyperventilate about freedoms and rights and such, but have maintained a studied silence in this case are being exposed as hypocrites. As the days go on, it will be seen how much longer they will pretend to be ignorant.
  - quickthrowman 5y ago
    > many of those arrested are in 23 hour solitary for the past months without any charges filed on them... Nope, you’re wrong. Please provide a link to a single case where a capitol rioter has been held longer than the legal maximum without being charged, you can only be held for 48 hours without being charged. The US is not Japan. Have people been charged and held in solitary/23 hour a day lockdown without yet going to trial? Almost certainly, but that is an entirely different thing. It’s still terrible, but unfortunately legal.
    - foolinaround 5y ago
      > without any charges filed on them I take this back, what I should have stated more clearly - is that the serious charges of insurrection, etc are not filed. They were charged with whatever petty crimes, and then have been kept for months on this terrible solitary/23 hour a day lockdown. If these are not political prisoners, what else can be? If one does not stand for these prisoners in our own backyard, then what does that make of us?

if they "violently and successfully interrupted a core democratic process", why do you think the charges being levied against these terrorists are so light? Why no charges of insurrection?

selectodude 5y ago

Some of the more serious charges being levied such as "Assault on a federal officer with physical contact and intent to commit another felony" come with penalties more severe than insurrection charges.

a_conservative 5y ago
my point is that there is inconsistency between popular descriptions of jan6 and the charges. If jan6 was as bad as many say it was, then we should expect to see not only serious indictments, but also convictions.
- belltaco 5y ago
  Did you miss the conviction with a 8 month prison sentence a few days ago? Other convictions are in the pipeline.
  - the_optimist 5y ago
    Highlighting the remarkably long sentence for “interrupting an official proceeding” actually undermines your argument.
nonethewiser 5y ago
But to be clear, there are no insurrection or terrorism related charges. The point is it does not meet the definition of insurrection.

the_optimist 5y ago

Obviously this wasn’t an “insurrection,” and the people using that inflammatory language are hyperventilating to crack down on dissidents. We even know that FBI agents were involved in setting this up (although the full extent of involvement is unknown). It’s no different from China or Cuba. Perhaps more insidious than what you’d see in Russia.

foolinaround 5y ago
many of those arrested are in 23 hour solitary for the past months without any charges filed on them... ( no, this is not in Guantanamo Bay, but right here in the heart of USA, right under the nose of the 'free' press ) No substantial charges will likely be filed too, simply because the evidence is not there. Those here on HN who had hyperventilate about freedoms and rights and such, but have maintained a studied silence in this case are being exposed as hypocrites. As the days go on, it will be seen how much longer they will pretend to be ignorant.
- quickthrowman 5y ago
  > many of those arrested are in 23 hour solitary for the past months without any charges filed on them... Nope, you’re wrong. Please provide a link to a single case where a capitol rioter has been held longer than the legal maximum without being charged, you can only be held for 48 hours without being charged. The US is not Japan. Have people been charged and held in solitary/23 hour a day lockdown without yet going to trial? Almost certainly, but that is an entirely different thing. It’s still terrible, but unfortunately legal.
  - foolinaround 5y ago
    > without any charges filed on them I take this back, what I should have stated more clearly - is that the serious charges of insurrection, etc are not filed. They were charged with whatever petty crimes, and then have been kept for months on this terrible solitary/23 hour a day lockdown. If these are not political prisoners, what else can be? If one does not stand for these prisoners in our own backyard, then what does that make of us?