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Thinking this way is the exact problem. You believe you know what a plant needs but that's not true. We don't even know how plants "works" entirely. There's on

by boudin 5y ago

Thinking this way is the exact problem. You believe you know what a plant needs but that's not true. We don't even know how plants "works" entirely. There's one easy proove, anything grown the way you describe taste like nothing compared to an healthy plant. Quality farming is not about volume or look but the actual quality of the produce. I wouldn't call what you say science at all. As soon as you state that you know everything and that someone who disagrees is anti-science is just plain arrogance, not science. If you're really interested in science though, please read the huge amount of research on soil and plant that has been done since the 1950's so that you catch up at least.... Edit: Forgot to mention something, soil is not only for plants, there's a whole ecosystem that depends on it and need to be taken into account

prox 5y ago
Someone in my family is a “plant reader” , he goes all over the world to help with production methods. He can just look at plants, examine it by hand and tell you what the plant needs. It’s quite incredible really. He always says all the factors need to be right, it’s a question of balancing.
- boudin 5y ago
  That's sounds quite interesting. Never heard of this activity before. I'll look into it definitely!
incrudible 5y ago
Too much scolding, too little substance. As soon as people relegate to taste, I tune out. Taste is a first world problem and highly subjective.
- boudin 5y ago
  You mean taste, one of the sense that makes us what we are today? The thing that humanity and other animals have used to analyze what they feed themselves with? I'm not talking about eating for pleasure, but you can definitely taste that something is wrong with industrially grown veggies and fruits (and the same apply for animal farming).
- imtringued 5y ago
  He's talking about the raw ingredients not some hyper processed supermarket food. If there is something wrong with the raw ingredients I think it is fair that we try to figure it out.
- bdauvergne 5y ago
  Food pleasure from taste is one of the most basic pleasure and so available to everybody and essential for your well being. The fact that immigrants continue to cook like where they are from for most of their life is a rebuttal to your statement. Food quality is of global importance, most problem with food production comes from disorganization and incentives or lack of it not from lack of production.
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
"anything grown the way you describe taste like nothing compared to an healthy plant" That's absolutely not true, it's been tested by thousands of people and you can try it yourself. Taste is affected by variety and ripeness, waay before it has anything to do with the soil.
- BiteCode_dev 5y ago
  I've tasted it, and agree with your parent. Most people just have no idea what their food is supposed to taste like, so if you give them decent tomatoes, they will think they are amazing. Do your study in the south of italia in the summer for a fair fight.
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  So https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terroir https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terroir is just marketing?
LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
I partially disagree. For decades the taste of tomatoes coming out of Dutch greenhouses has been considered as 'underwhelming'. At least for small cherry tomatoes that is not the case anymore, they are usually superior to the stuff that comes from Spain. Furthermore all sorts of so called 'cultured' berries are often acceptable now, year round. Don't know about nutrients though, since I have no real means to check for that. So it seems, at least for some plants it is possible to selectively breed them over long times to make them adapt to greenhouse/hydroponics/etc without losing their taste. And I remember the real taste of berries, because I picked them in the wild in forests in my youth, and sometimes, though much less often even now.

by boudin 5y ago

prox 5y ago

Someone in my family is a “plant reader” , he goes all over the world to help with production methods. He can just look at plants, examine it by hand and tell you what the plant needs. It’s quite incredible really. He always says all the factors need to be right, it’s a question of balancing.

boudin 5y ago
That's sounds quite interesting. Never heard of this activity before. I'll look into it definitely!

incrudible 5y ago

Too much scolding, too little substance. As soon as people relegate to taste, I tune out. Taste is a first world problem and highly subjective.

boudin 5y ago
You mean taste, one of the sense that makes us what we are today? The thing that humanity and other animals have used to analyze what they feed themselves with? I'm not talking about eating for pleasure, but you can definitely taste that something is wrong with industrially grown veggies and fruits (and the same apply for animal farming).
imtringued 5y ago
He's talking about the raw ingredients not some hyper processed supermarket food. If there is something wrong with the raw ingredients I think it is fair that we try to figure it out.
bdauvergne 5y ago
Food pleasure from taste is one of the most basic pleasure and so available to everybody and essential for your well being. The fact that immigrants continue to cook like where they are from for most of their life is a rebuttal to your statement. Food quality is of global importance, most problem with food production comes from disorganization and incentives or lack of it not from lack of production.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

"anything grown the way you describe taste like nothing compared to an healthy plant" That's absolutely not true, it's been tested by thousands of people and you can try it yourself. Taste is affected by variety and ripeness, waay before it has anything to do with the soil.

BiteCode_dev 5y ago
I've tasted it, and agree with your parent. Most people just have no idea what their food is supposed to taste like, so if you give them decent tomatoes, they will think they are amazing. Do your study in the south of italia in the summer for a fair fight.
LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
So https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terroir https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terroir is just marketing?

LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago

I partially disagree. For decades the taste of tomatoes coming out of Dutch greenhouses has been considered as 'underwhelming'. At least for small cherry tomatoes that is not the case anymore, they are usually superior to the stuff that comes from Spain. Furthermore all sorts of so called 'cultured' berries are often acceptable now, year round. Don't know about nutrients though, since I have no real means to check for that. So it seems, at least for some plants it is possible to selectively breed them over long times to make them adapt to greenhouse/hydroponics/etc without losing their taste. And I remember the real taste of berries, because I picked them in the wild in forests in my youth, and sometimes, though much less often even now.