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No, not really. The federal supplement was a super crude metric meant to temporarily match the average pre-pandemic wages of those losing income. It wasn't ai

No, not really. The federal supplement was a super crude metric meant to temporarily match the average pre-pandemic wages of those losing income. It wasn't aimed at any sort of minimum standard income.

lovich 5y ago
it was payments of 1400 every few months and then 300 a week on top of unemployment which you already don't get unless you were working and lost your job without being fired for cause. That was calculated based off of federal minimum wage at 40 hours a week(1160) and then rounded up to a cool 1200 a month. the 2800 total from stimulus payments at most helps defer 1-2 months of living expenses. The unemployment payments you cannot get if you are "are unemployed by choice" since by definition you had to lose your job for other reasons. Why do you act like giving even the barest of bones to people is an assault on businesses?
- bpodgursky 5y ago
  > you already don't get unless you were working and lost your job without being fired for cause That condition was waived during COVID. Plenty of people are on unemployment who were not fired. The fact is, something like 50% of unemployed workers were receiving more than their previous wage. You can argue that we should be restructuring the economy or whatever anyway, but it's incredibly dishonest to suggest the US gave out the "barest of bones". The US COVID benefits were per-capita the highest in the world, by far.
  - lovich 5y ago
    The condition was waived. Was being the operative word. People getting those payments now are following the standard unemployment rules. > The fact is, something like 50% of unemployed workers were receiving more than their previous wage. You can argue that we should be restructuring the economy or whatever anyway, but it's incredibly dishonest to suggest the US gave out the "barest of bones". The US COVID benefits were per-capita the highest in the world, by far. The unemployment benefit for corona was calculated to be a minimum wage job plus 40 dollars a month. A single minimum wage job is not enough to live in most of America. America is one of the costliest places to live. If this is more than they received from working a job previously then that job did not pay enough and their workers were likely getting benefits ala McDonald’s and Walmart employees on food stamps. I do not think it’s dishonest to call it the barest of bones to give just enough to live from the richest country on the planet, _and_ I don’t think it’s dishonest to call that the barest of bones even if it’s more than they made earlier. Do you think there should just be no welfare? If that’s the case then we disagree on fundamentals here and won’t ever come to an agreement on the Covid payments
    - bpodgursky 5y ago
      > People getting those payments now are following the standard unemployment rules. No... they are still on unemployment from the loss of their job last year. The rules changed, but the people already on unemployment (voluntarily) did not lose eligibility. > The unemployment benefit for corona was calculated to be a minimum wage job plus 40 dollars a month. This is _on top of the existing state benefits_. You are pretending that the federal benefits are the only UI, which is just not true.
      - lovich 5y ago
        Did their job get reassigned to them? You need to be seeking work and accepting offers if you are on unemployment. > This is _on top of the existing state benefits_. You are pretending that the federal benefits are the only UI, which is just not true. No shit. If you look at my comments you might find me taking about this as additional and how 1 single wage job isn’t enough to live. The real problem businesses are having is that being forced to figure out an alternative to working at a shit job for a year meant people figured out alternatives. People learned other skills and changed careers. That’s on top of al the deaths. Most of these shit jobs were frontlines workers who got hit hard by Covid. You don’t need to kill everyone to make the labor market really tight. If you made it so there was even 1% less supply than demand and there’s still margin available to use then you’d see salaries skyrocket as firms need to start cutting their margin to acquire labor.

lovich 5y ago

it was payments of 1400 every few months and then 300 a week on top of unemployment which you already don't get unless you were working and lost your job without being fired for cause. That was calculated based off of federal minimum wage at 40 hours a week(1160) and then rounded up to a cool 1200 a month. the 2800 total from stimulus payments at most helps defer 1-2 months of living expenses. The unemployment payments you cannot get if you are "are unemployed by choice" since by definition you had to lose your job for other reasons. Why do you act like giving even the barest of bones to people is an assault on businesses?

bpodgursky 5y ago
> you already don't get unless you were working and lost your job without being fired for cause That condition was waived during COVID. Plenty of people are on unemployment who were not fired. The fact is, something like 50% of unemployed workers were receiving more than their previous wage. You can argue that we should be restructuring the economy or whatever anyway, but it's incredibly dishonest to suggest the US gave out the "barest of bones". The US COVID benefits were per-capita the highest in the world, by far.
- lovich 5y ago
  The condition was waived. Was being the operative word. People getting those payments now are following the standard unemployment rules. > The fact is, something like 50% of unemployed workers were receiving more than their previous wage. You can argue that we should be restructuring the economy or whatever anyway, but it's incredibly dishonest to suggest the US gave out the "barest of bones". The US COVID benefits were per-capita the highest in the world, by far. The unemployment benefit for corona was calculated to be a minimum wage job plus 40 dollars a month. A single minimum wage job is not enough to live in most of America. America is one of the costliest places to live. If this is more than they received from working a job previously then that job did not pay enough and their workers were likely getting benefits ala McDonald’s and Walmart employees on food stamps. I do not think it’s dishonest to call it the barest of bones to give just enough to live from the richest country on the planet, _and_ I don’t think it’s dishonest to call that the barest of bones even if it’s more than they made earlier. Do you think there should just be no welfare? If that’s the case then we disagree on fundamentals here and won’t ever come to an agreement on the Covid payments
  - bpodgursky 5y ago
    > People getting those payments now are following the standard unemployment rules. No... they are still on unemployment from the loss of their job last year. The rules changed, but the people already on unemployment (voluntarily) did not lose eligibility. > The unemployment benefit for corona was calculated to be a minimum wage job plus 40 dollars a month. This is _on top of the existing state benefits_. You are pretending that the federal benefits are the only UI, which is just not true.
    - lovich 5y ago
      Did their job get reassigned to them? You need to be seeking work and accepting offers if you are on unemployment. > This is _on top of the existing state benefits_. You are pretending that the federal benefits are the only UI, which is just not true. No shit. If you look at my comments you might find me taking about this as additional and how 1 single wage job isn’t enough to live. The real problem businesses are having is that being forced to figure out an alternative to working at a shit job for a year meant people figured out alternatives. People learned other skills and changed careers. That’s on top of al the deaths. Most of these shit jobs were frontlines workers who got hit hard by Covid. You don’t need to kill everyone to make the labor market really tight. If you made it so there was even 1% less supply than demand and there’s still margin available to use then you’d see salaries skyrocket as firms need to start cutting their margin to acquire labor.