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Hi Nirav, exciting times ahead! Key highlights I'd like to point out is that you nailed the screen specs (3:2 and brightness) as well as the 1080p camera which

Hi Nirav, exciting times ahead! Key highlights I'd like to point out is that you nailed the screen specs (3:2 and brightness) as well as the 1080p camera which is something that has always annoyed me. Do you have a timeline of how long you expect to keep the mainboard design replaceable with this frame? I'd personally love to see an AMD chip in there over Intel but this is right up there for my next laptop purchase (when i need!) - I expect people might wish to swap out the motherboard/cpu combo. Also, can we expect a bigger version?

nrp 5y ago
Thanks! We aren't able to announce anything yet, but we have certainly designed for being able to support different CPU platforms, and for folks to switch between them by upgrading just the mainboard or the mainboard+memory.
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- winter_blue 5y ago
  What is the likelihood of a 4K (like 3840x2400) screen option appearing anytime in the near future?
  - nrp 5y ago
    We don't have any plans we can share yet, but we did design the display to be easy to replace by putting it behind a magnet-attach bezel and using fasteners to affix it the lid.
    - nitsky 5y ago
      Are you considering OLED as well? The Dell XPS has that as an option and it is a serious draw, especially for coders who stare at a mostly-black screen all day.
      - pabs3 5y ago
        I wonder if eink would be feasible.
        robinsoh 5y ago
        > I wonder if eink would be feasible. It would depend on your meaning. If you mean taking a device like a Dasung or a Onyx and connecting to the laptop and using it as another screen, then sure, that should work fine. If you mean taking out the LCD and popping in a raw eink panel, then no because they have different interfaces. Speaking of which, I don't see any clear specification on frame.work for the LCD connector or power specs. I see they wrote on their blog. " We don’t currently have plans for alternate displays, but we’ve designed the display to be easy to replace and the display connector on the mainboard to be able to support a broader range of possible displays. It’s unlikely we would go lower resolution in this form factor, but I agree there could be an interesting case for a display resolution that works at 2x scaling (at the tradeoff of battery life). " But I couldn't easily find on their website the info for what type of connector and what type of power is delivered to it.
        nrp 5y ago
        We use a relatively common 40-pin I-PEX connector. We’ll be publishing more detail on it as we have time to.
      - nrp 5y ago
        @pabs3, there is actually a 4:3 13.3" e-ink panel that may be possible to fit, but it would be challenging to interface. On OLED, nothing we can share yet, but there are certainly benefits to OLED panels.
        geniium 5y ago
        I would buy one just to get the eink screen on a laptop!
        mlboss 5y ago
        +1 for eink. Maybe something to do with collaboration with Dasung.
    - Aeolun 5y ago
      I’m curious about these responses. They kind of read like “Yes, but we don’t want to commit to anything right now.”
      - heywherelogingo 5y ago
        Sounds sensible. They're working on it but wouldn't want to have an unexpected obstacle turn into broken promises.
        nrp 5y ago
        That is right. I’ve answered a few questions in these comments where the answer is basically: It’s technically possible, there is a plausible market need, we think it is worthwhile to do, and we’ve designed for it architecturally, but we can’t commit to a specific date because there are always implementation risks, supplier risks (especially this year), and a large number of programs we have to prioritize between as a small team.
        silverlake 5y ago
        This is the perfect answer. Paste this into every feature request thread.
        Aeolun 5y ago
        Haha, yeah, that is exactly the long form of what I expected it meant. Sounds good. Thanks for the answer.
      - ncallaway 5y ago
        No matter how much you qualify an answer: “yes, but it’s extremely early in design, we may not be able to find the right manufacturers so it may not happen at all, but the earliest possible date would be late 2022”, there is a segment of people that will have an expectation that you will deliver the product before 2023 and will be upset if you don’t.
- rraihansaputra 5y ago
  It would be really cool if Framework would release an ARM platform based motherboard in the future.
  - tedk-42 5y ago
    I wouldn't rely on Framework doing this, but if the PCB dimensions were open source, I bet you would have a few companies looking to fabricate custom mainboards with ARM chips that could slot into the Framework shell :D Hence why i originally asked about how long the motherboard design would stay with the current frame
- stonecharioteer 5y ago
  I would buy this yesterday if you could make a Ryzen 7 version. I'm not buying Intel shit any longer.
oxplot 5y ago
Major thumbs-up for AMD chip. With a replaceable main board, this will be a dream. I ordered a framework laptop at its highest CPU+RAM spec and can't wait to replace my 6 years old ThinkPad x250 with it. EDIT: would also add that the open source design USB-C based side modules are amazing - looking forward to designing my own modules.
- nrp 5y ago
  Thanks! We're looking forward to seeing the modules everyone develops, and we're excited to get new mainboards out in the future.
  - carlio 5y ago
    +1 for AMD for me, I'd absolutely buy this today if I could get a 5000 series HS in it too.
  - PlasticTank 5y ago
    Another +1 for AMD from me, only reason I haven't bought one yet was I was hoping to get an AMD chip for my next laptop.
  - pzo 5y ago
    Not sure if this is technically possible. However I would like to see in the future, version with AMD APU but replaceable so you can upgrade as well. Amd seems not selling ryzen mobile that is swappable but maybe possible to design motherboard that will fit ryzen desktop, undervolting it a little when not connected to power to conserve battery - even at the expense of slighty thicker laptop
  - trewnews 5y ago
    I'll wait until there is an AMD CPU to buy with this setup.
  - kubafu 5y ago
    +1 for seeing AMD chip in it, please go for it!
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nrp 5y ago

Thanks! We aren't able to announce anything yet, but we have certainly designed for being able to support different CPU platforms, and for folks to switch between them by upgrading just the mainboard or the mainboard+memory.

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winter_blue 5y ago
What is the likelihood of a 4K (like 3840x2400) screen option appearing anytime in the near future?
- nrp 5y ago
  We don't have any plans we can share yet, but we did design the display to be easy to replace by putting it behind a magnet-attach bezel and using fasteners to affix it the lid.
  - nitsky 5y ago
    Are you considering OLED as well? The Dell XPS has that as an option and it is a serious draw, especially for coders who stare at a mostly-black screen all day.
    - pabs3 5y ago
      I wonder if eink would be feasible.
      - robinsoh 5y ago
        > I wonder if eink would be feasible. It would depend on your meaning. If you mean taking a device like a Dasung or a Onyx and connecting to the laptop and using it as another screen, then sure, that should work fine. If you mean taking out the LCD and popping in a raw eink panel, then no because they have different interfaces. Speaking of which, I don't see any clear specification on frame.work for the LCD connector or power specs. I see they wrote on their blog. " We don’t currently have plans for alternate displays, but we’ve designed the display to be easy to replace and the display connector on the mainboard to be able to support a broader range of possible displays. It’s unlikely we would go lower resolution in this form factor, but I agree there could be an interesting case for a display resolution that works at 2x scaling (at the tradeoff of battery life). " But I couldn't easily find on their website the info for what type of connector and what type of power is delivered to it.
        nrp 5y ago
        We use a relatively common 40-pin I-PEX connector. We’ll be publishing more detail on it as we have time to.
    - nrp 5y ago
      @pabs3, there is actually a 4:3 13.3" e-ink panel that may be possible to fit, but it would be challenging to interface. On OLED, nothing we can share yet, but there are certainly benefits to OLED panels.
      - geniium 5y ago
        I would buy one just to get the eink screen on a laptop!
      - mlboss 5y ago
        +1 for eink. Maybe something to do with collaboration with Dasung.
  - Aeolun 5y ago
    I’m curious about these responses. They kind of read like “Yes, but we don’t want to commit to anything right now.”
    - heywherelogingo 5y ago
      Sounds sensible. They're working on it but wouldn't want to have an unexpected obstacle turn into broken promises.
      - nrp 5y ago
        That is right. I’ve answered a few questions in these comments where the answer is basically: It’s technically possible, there is a plausible market need, we think it is worthwhile to do, and we’ve designed for it architecturally, but we can’t commit to a specific date because there are always implementation risks, supplier risks (especially this year), and a large number of programs we have to prioritize between as a small team.
        silverlake 5y ago
        This is the perfect answer. Paste this into every feature request thread.
        Aeolun 5y ago
        Haha, yeah, that is exactly the long form of what I expected it meant. Sounds good. Thanks for the answer.
    - ncallaway 5y ago
      No matter how much you qualify an answer: “yes, but it’s extremely early in design, we may not be able to find the right manufacturers so it may not happen at all, but the earliest possible date would be late 2022”, there is a segment of people that will have an expectation that you will deliver the product before 2023 and will be upset if you don’t.
rraihansaputra 5y ago
It would be really cool if Framework would release an ARM platform based motherboard in the future.
- tedk-42 5y ago
  I wouldn't rely on Framework doing this, but if the PCB dimensions were open source, I bet you would have a few companies looking to fabricate custom mainboards with ARM chips that could slot into the Framework shell :D Hence why i originally asked about how long the motherboard design would stay with the current frame
stonecharioteer 5y ago
I would buy this yesterday if you could make a Ryzen 7 version. I'm not buying Intel shit any longer.

oxplot 5y ago

Major thumbs-up for AMD chip. With a replaceable main board, this will be a dream. I ordered a framework laptop at its highest CPU+RAM spec and can't wait to replace my 6 years old ThinkPad x250 with it. EDIT: would also add that the open source design USB-C based side modules are amazing - looking forward to designing my own modules.

nrp 5y ago
Thanks! We're looking forward to seeing the modules everyone develops, and we're excited to get new mainboards out in the future.
- carlio 5y ago
  +1 for AMD for me, I'd absolutely buy this today if I could get a 5000 series HS in it too.
- PlasticTank 5y ago
  Another +1 for AMD from me, only reason I haven't bought one yet was I was hoping to get an AMD chip for my next laptop.
- pzo 5y ago
  Not sure if this is technically possible. However I would like to see in the future, version with AMD APU but replaceable so you can upgrade as well. Amd seems not selling ryzen mobile that is swappable but maybe possible to design motherboard that will fit ryzen desktop, undervolting it a little when not connected to power to conserve battery - even at the expense of slighty thicker laptop
- trewnews 5y ago
  I'll wait until there is an AMD CPU to buy with this setup.
- kubafu 5y ago
  +1 for seeing AMD chip in it, please go for it!
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