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It's interesting to see FB migrating so much over to Oracle. 2 weeks ago was FB use of GraalVM (from Oracle). And now this. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?

It's interesting to see FB migrating so much over to Oracle. 2 weeks ago was FB use of GraalVM (from Oracle). And now this. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27782475 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27782475

maxk42 5y ago
Oracle has a very complete and much cheaper cloud solution relative to AWS. I've begun migrating my own projects over to their cloud. The savings on egress costs alone pays dividends.
- luhn 5y ago
  That has nothing to do with MySQL. Facebook operates their own DCs and hasn't indicated any interest migrating elsewhere.
- jmnicolas 5y ago
  Tying yourself to Oracle is quite a risky choice in my opinion. After having used their non cloud products 10 years ago, I wouldn't do any business with them. At all.
  - na85 5y ago
    I'd say the same about Facebook.
- mr_overalls 5y ago
  I find the comments in this article very accurate: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15160149 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15160149 > ORA is the elephant's graveyard of software. > Once something gets bought by them, you know it is done. Slowly, but surely. > They perform a function akin to the maggots that destroy cadavers in nature. Part of the overall ecosystem. > ORA stopped being a tech co a while ago, now it is a finance play. Use cash to buy a business for its locked in customers, gut it to squeeze max money out of it until last customer is gone. Rinse, repeat.
  - adrianmsmith 5y ago
    This is not so with Java. They have moved Java along a lot since they bought it; they released 1.8 finally, and have introduced lots of new features such as type inference since then. MySQL is also going strong after the acquisition. Lots of new features.
  - BossingAround 5y ago
    And yet MySQL is very much alive..? Java has fully opensource implementations too, and has had innovations like GraalVM and Jakarta EE. I think I'm too young to hate Oracle with a burning passion. I would be very scared of their sales/corporate team, but I mean, even having large contracts with Google or Amazon is difficult to say the least.
    - danpalmer 5y ago
      MySQL is alive for companies already using MySQL, but would well informed companies be choosing it today? I'm not so sure. I think you either want it to have more functionality and you choose Postgres, you want a particular performance profile and you pick MariaDB, or you want the enterprise support and you pick Oracle's database. Why you would pick Oracle-supported MySQL today I'm not sure.
      - abledon 5y ago
        didn't the new basecamp "Hey" email product choose to use MySQL?
        danpalmer 5y ago
        I think so, but they have been operating MySQL at scale for many products for about 20 years, so I can understand why they might not choose MariaDB (or Postgres, Oracle, etc).
      - threeseed 5y ago
        > have more functionality and you choose Postgres PostgreSQL still after all these years has a terrible story when it comes to HA and horizontal scalability. Nothing is built in or supported. And one of the only companies to provide something half decent i.e. Citus is now owned by Microsoft and so that project is now at risk. At least MySQL has something built-in.
- sly010 5y ago
  Totally off topic, but I found it funny that in the offical oracle cloud intro video the robot arm in the background misses the box, right as the narrator mentions the advantages of automation at 1:10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_BDfMdGn3M&t=61s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_BDfMdGn3M&t=61s
  - suyash 5y ago
    lol good eye! but it shows me how real tech works, nothing is 100% guranteed
  - abledon 5y ago
    I hate oracle, but man do i love their art style branding, kind of a 'painting' vibe
  - wizzwizz4 5y ago
    I think you'll find the box missed the robot arm.
- topspin 5y ago
  > Oracle has a very complete and much cheaper cloud solution relative to AWS Tell us more. Ignore the haters please. I'd love to have your insights.
  - maxk42 5y ago
    It's all on their site - https://www.oracle.com/cloud/ https://www.oracle.com/cloud/ Their price list is at https://www.oracle.com/cloud/price-list.html https://www.oracle.com/cloud/price-list.html and the egress is under the "networking" section. Basically they give you 10TB outbound data transfer for free and charge as little as $0.0085 per GB after that. That's a savings of 90% (or 100% if you use less than 10TB transfer, which most apps do) Additionally their cloud servers (and most other services as well) are much cheaper than comparble EC2 instances and every one of their services I've used so far also includes a free tier so you can try them out without paying anything. All in all pretty pleased so far.
    - gunapologist99 5y ago
      Yeah, AWS (and Azure, and GCP) really has notoriously expensive bandwidth, and it's the one thing they will never budge on in negotiations, since they know it's where they have nearly 100% profit margin; you can avoid using most services, or use compute etc more efficiently, but it's hard to consume less bandwidth! It sounds like Oracle is actually pricing bandwidth at a reasonable price. This is quite a shock, coming from a historical perspective!
cranekam 5y ago
It's a stretch to claim this is a "migration". Facebook has used MySQL since its very early days — certainly since before Oracle acquired Sun and thus MySQL AB.
dcolkitt 5y ago
I guess one could dream of the remote possibility that Facebook outright acquires Oracle. It seems like a weird match, but it'd give FB a toehold in a lot of verticals that it currently has no presence in. Whatever criticisms you have of FB, it's at least a pretty open source friendly company.
- amelius 5y ago
  What would happen to Oracle's infamous legal department then?
  - munk-a 5y ago
    Then they'd leverage social media oversharing to find more targets to litigate - it'd be a win-win! /s
  - aloisdg 5y ago
    You mean pretty much the whole company? /s
  - rattray 5y ago
    Fabulously lavish retirements?
  - dylan604 5y ago
    They'll start serving ads and sharing personal data of all of the people they sue?
- rrdharan 5y ago
  Facebook has no interest in infrastructure / enterprise revenue streams (Facebook for Work notwithstanding). See the history of Asana, Cloudera and Phabricator (and even Dropbox, from an employee/recruiting perspective, kinda).
suyash 5y ago
You can see Oracle or you can see Open Source Awesome technology they are using, both of these are solid OSS projects.
hodgesrm 5y ago
The MySQL 8.0 upgrade is not a migration to Oracle. Facebook has run MySQL for many years at this point and, as the article describes, operates on a private fork. They have employed some of the leading engineers in the MySQL community to support their version of MySQL.

maxk42 5y ago

Oracle has a very complete and much cheaper cloud solution relative to AWS. I've begun migrating my own projects over to their cloud. The savings on egress costs alone pays dividends.

luhn 5y ago
That has nothing to do with MySQL. Facebook operates their own DCs and hasn't indicated any interest migrating elsewhere.
jmnicolas 5y ago
Tying yourself to Oracle is quite a risky choice in my opinion. After having used their non cloud products 10 years ago, I wouldn't do any business with them. At all.
- na85 5y ago
  I'd say the same about Facebook.
mr_overalls 5y ago
I find the comments in this article very accurate: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15160149 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15160149 > ORA is the elephant's graveyard of software. > Once something gets bought by them, you know it is done. Slowly, but surely. > They perform a function akin to the maggots that destroy cadavers in nature. Part of the overall ecosystem. > ORA stopped being a tech co a while ago, now it is a finance play. Use cash to buy a business for its locked in customers, gut it to squeeze max money out of it until last customer is gone. Rinse, repeat.
- adrianmsmith 5y ago
  This is not so with Java. They have moved Java along a lot since they bought it; they released 1.8 finally, and have introduced lots of new features such as type inference since then. MySQL is also going strong after the acquisition. Lots of new features.
- BossingAround 5y ago
  And yet MySQL is very much alive..? Java has fully opensource implementations too, and has had innovations like GraalVM and Jakarta EE. I think I'm too young to hate Oracle with a burning passion. I would be very scared of their sales/corporate team, but I mean, even having large contracts with Google or Amazon is difficult to say the least.
  - danpalmer 5y ago
    MySQL is alive for companies already using MySQL, but would well informed companies be choosing it today? I'm not so sure. I think you either want it to have more functionality and you choose Postgres, you want a particular performance profile and you pick MariaDB, or you want the enterprise support and you pick Oracle's database. Why you would pick Oracle-supported MySQL today I'm not sure.
    - abledon 5y ago
      didn't the new basecamp "Hey" email product choose to use MySQL?
      - danpalmer 5y ago
        I think so, but they have been operating MySQL at scale for many products for about 20 years, so I can understand why they might not choose MariaDB (or Postgres, Oracle, etc).
    - threeseed 5y ago
      > have more functionality and you choose Postgres PostgreSQL still after all these years has a terrible story when it comes to HA and horizontal scalability. Nothing is built in or supported. And one of the only companies to provide something half decent i.e. Citus is now owned by Microsoft and so that project is now at risk. At least MySQL has something built-in.
sly010 5y ago
Totally off topic, but I found it funny that in the offical oracle cloud intro video the robot arm in the background misses the box, right as the narrator mentions the advantages of automation at 1:10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_BDfMdGn3M&t=61s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_BDfMdGn3M&t=61s
- suyash 5y ago
  lol good eye! but it shows me how real tech works, nothing is 100% guranteed
- abledon 5y ago
  I hate oracle, but man do i love their art style branding, kind of a 'painting' vibe
- wizzwizz4 5y ago
  I think you'll find the box missed the robot arm.
topspin 5y ago
> Oracle has a very complete and much cheaper cloud solution relative to AWS Tell us more. Ignore the haters please. I'd love to have your insights.
- maxk42 5y ago
  It's all on their site - https://www.oracle.com/cloud/ https://www.oracle.com/cloud/ Their price list is at https://www.oracle.com/cloud/price-list.html https://www.oracle.com/cloud/price-list.html and the egress is under the "networking" section. Basically they give you 10TB outbound data transfer for free and charge as little as $0.0085 per GB after that. That's a savings of 90% (or 100% if you use less than 10TB transfer, which most apps do) Additionally their cloud servers (and most other services as well) are much cheaper than comparble EC2 instances and every one of their services I've used so far also includes a free tier so you can try them out without paying anything. All in all pretty pleased so far.
  - gunapologist99 5y ago
    Yeah, AWS (and Azure, and GCP) really has notoriously expensive bandwidth, and it's the one thing they will never budge on in negotiations, since they know it's where they have nearly 100% profit margin; you can avoid using most services, or use compute etc more efficiently, but it's hard to consume less bandwidth! It sounds like Oracle is actually pricing bandwidth at a reasonable price. This is quite a shock, coming from a historical perspective!

cranekam 5y ago

It's a stretch to claim this is a "migration". Facebook has used MySQL since its very early days — certainly since before Oracle acquired Sun and thus MySQL AB.

dcolkitt 5y ago

I guess one could dream of the remote possibility that Facebook outright acquires Oracle. It seems like a weird match, but it'd give FB a toehold in a lot of verticals that it currently has no presence in. Whatever criticisms you have of FB, it's at least a pretty open source friendly company.

amelius 5y ago
What would happen to Oracle's infamous legal department then?
- munk-a 5y ago
  Then they'd leverage social media oversharing to find more targets to litigate - it'd be a win-win! /s
- aloisdg 5y ago
  You mean pretty much the whole company? /s
- rattray 5y ago
  Fabulously lavish retirements?
- dylan604 5y ago
  They'll start serving ads and sharing personal data of all of the people they sue?
rrdharan 5y ago
Facebook has no interest in infrastructure / enterprise revenue streams (Facebook for Work notwithstanding). See the history of Asana, Cloudera and Phabricator (and even Dropbox, from an employee/recruiting perspective, kinda).

suyash 5y ago

You can see Oracle or you can see Open Source Awesome technology they are using, both of these are solid OSS projects.

hodgesrm 5y ago

The MySQL 8.0 upgrade is not a migration to Oracle. Facebook has run MySQL for many years at this point and, as the article describes, operates on a private fork. They have employed some of the leading engineers in the MySQL community to support their version of MySQL.