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She was a journalism professor who wrote that "[Hannity] is absolutely right about this Seth Rich thing…. The DNC had him killed." That seems fairly disqualifyi

She was a journalism professor who wrote that "[Hannity] is absolutely right about this Seth Rich thing…. The DNC had him killed." That seems fairly disqualifying for the job.

Leparamour 5y ago
>That seems fairly disqualifying for the job. Why? Wrongthink?
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  An inability to evaluate sources seems like an issue for someone teaching, at least in part, how to do that.
- xadhominemx 5y ago
  Yes, a university has good reason to believe their journalism instructor who believes obvious lies from known liars is bad at their job
- teachrdan 5y ago
  As a journalism professor, you could argue that she has to be able to identify high and low quality journalism to be effective at her job. If she thinks that Fox News adequately researched the Seth Rich story and accurately determined that he was murdered by agents of Hilary Clinton, she probably does not know what quality journalism is, and is therefore unable to perform her duties as a journalism instructor.
  - asciident 5y ago
    That seems like a dangerous line of thought. Imagine a software engineer (maybe one who writes code for airplanes or medical equipment) writes some sloppy code late one night and puts it on their open source github, and the commit log is "this code rocks." You could make the same argument that As a software engineer, you have to be able to identify and write high quality software to be effective at your job. So should your employer fire you for writing this code outside of your regular job duties? What about if a friend shows you their code, and you say "that looks good" but it turns out that this code is vulnerable to a key security issue? Should you get fired from your security job? I think we'd agree not, and more broadly, that making a statement or doing a task related to your job but outside of your job's responsibilities should not be sufficient to fire you from your job. Especially when it's clear you are not representing your employer, by using pseudonym.
    - ohashi 5y ago
      Apples and oranges. I think a better example would be the case where the university professors/students committed known vulnerable code to linux kernel and they banned the whole university. If you're doing something ethically questionable and potentially harming others (spreading hate and conspiracy theories can do real harm), it could be grounds for not believing they are capable of doing their job. I don't think it's a freedom of speech issue at all, it's a I want freedom of speech without social consequences issue. Sorry. If you're spreading around hate and lies - as a journalism professor no less - there should be consequences. You don't deserve the responsibility of teaching others.
      - asciident 5y ago
        I don't see how that's a better example, and you missed the point. Your example is about someone doing something unethical as part of their job. My example was about someone doing something unrelated to their job duties. That's the entire point I'm making, that things done outside of job duties do not reflect the competency of the job. If you read the grandparent post, it's about making a judgment about whether one is effective at their job.
    - threatofrain 5y ago
      Well, if you're in a position of having to say "Yes, I used my work email to create a Disqus account, and most of those comments are mine, but not the one about Muslims hating America and being deported..." A professor naturally speaks with the authority of their institution, and reputation is far more easily maimed than repaired. The decision for Temple University to fire her is pretty obvious.
  - dominicjj 5y ago
    Unless of course the DNC really did have Seth Rich killed. There are an awful lot of things which have yet to be explained away about his death: - nothing taken - photo shows disproportionate emergency vehicle response - Kim Dot Com has made a public statement that it was Rich who gave him the DNC emails - he was stabilized in ICU but died overnight according to an eyewitness - The director of the hospital is married to Lisa Kontupes - two sicarios who worked for Clinton's campaign were found dead in NC the day after his death - the DNC emails were detrimental to the Clinton campaign These are all facts. Some journalists find them suspicious and have constructed a theory of his death that makes sense of them all in one shot. This is an entirely legitimate thing to do. You can also explain away each of them and come to the conclusion that it was just a botched robbery. But assuming a priori that the DNC killing Seth Rich is somehow impossible and a conspiracy theory is not journalism or even common sense, no matter how often the mainstream media says it is.
    - teachrdan 5y ago
      > - two sicarios who worked for Clinton's campaign were found dead in NC the day after his death I tried googling this with no success. Can you cite a source for this claim?
      - dominicjj 5y ago
        Here's a report confirming their identification: https://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/crime/article89158707.html https://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/crime/article89... I said NC but it was Myrtle Beach, SC, sorry. Names: Rafael Aguilar, 31, and Carmelo Marmolejo-Calixto. http://gunmemorial.org/2016/07/11/rafael-aguilar http://gunmemorial.org/2016/07/11/rafael-aguilar Archived screenshot with his occupation listed as '2016 Clinton campaign aid (sic)': https://archive.is/pB7BX https://archive.is/pB7BX Conclusive? No. But should have been seriously dug into instead of the giant deafening silence we had. And one other thing I forgot to mention: Seymour Hersh, one of the finest old-school investigative journos in the world, dug in to this and confirmed all sorts of weird things: the FBI got access to Rich's PC, Rich contacted Wikileaks, Rich had DNC emails on his computer and so on.
- rsynnott 5y ago
  Incompetence. If you were a hospital who employed a surgeon who posted about how the germ theory of disease was bullshit on the socials, well, you’d probably be looking for a new surgeon; they’re either malicious or incredibly bad at their job.
  - baobabKoodaa 5y ago
    Or here's another example: if you were a doctor advocating for mask use in May 2020, when everyone knew that mask use was bullshit, you should be fired from your job. Also, if you were a doctor advocating against mask use in May 2021, when everyone knew that mask use wasn't bullshit, you should also in that case be fired from your job. I would write more examples, but I have a book burning to attend to, brb...
dillondoyle 5y ago
Worse yet she said below about Muslims, which seems more relevant as she probably teaches muslim students. about a Muslim protest at Trump Tower, was especially abhorrent: “Scum. Deport them. They hate us. Get rid of them.”
- dillondoyle 5y ago
  Lol why -4 downvotes on this?!?

She was a journalism professor who wrote that "[Hannity] is absolutely right about this Seth Rich thing…. The DNC had him killed." That seems fairly disqualifying for the job.

Leparamour 5y ago

>That seems fairly disqualifying for the job. Why? Wrongthink?

ceejayoz 5y ago
An inability to evaluate sources seems like an issue for someone teaching, at least in part, how to do that.
xadhominemx 5y ago
Yes, a university has good reason to believe their journalism instructor who believes obvious lies from known liars is bad at their job
teachrdan 5y ago
As a journalism professor, you could argue that she has to be able to identify high and low quality journalism to be effective at her job. If she thinks that Fox News adequately researched the Seth Rich story and accurately determined that he was murdered by agents of Hilary Clinton, she probably does not know what quality journalism is, and is therefore unable to perform her duties as a journalism instructor.
- asciident 5y ago
  That seems like a dangerous line of thought. Imagine a software engineer (maybe one who writes code for airplanes or medical equipment) writes some sloppy code late one night and puts it on their open source github, and the commit log is "this code rocks." You could make the same argument that As a software engineer, you have to be able to identify and write high quality software to be effective at your job. So should your employer fire you for writing this code outside of your regular job duties? What about if a friend shows you their code, and you say "that looks good" but it turns out that this code is vulnerable to a key security issue? Should you get fired from your security job? I think we'd agree not, and more broadly, that making a statement or doing a task related to your job but outside of your job's responsibilities should not be sufficient to fire you from your job. Especially when it's clear you are not representing your employer, by using pseudonym.
  - ohashi 5y ago
    Apples and oranges. I think a better example would be the case where the university professors/students committed known vulnerable code to linux kernel and they banned the whole university. If you're doing something ethically questionable and potentially harming others (spreading hate and conspiracy theories can do real harm), it could be grounds for not believing they are capable of doing their job. I don't think it's a freedom of speech issue at all, it's a I want freedom of speech without social consequences issue. Sorry. If you're spreading around hate and lies - as a journalism professor no less - there should be consequences. You don't deserve the responsibility of teaching others.
    - asciident 5y ago
      I don't see how that's a better example, and you missed the point. Your example is about someone doing something unethical as part of their job. My example was about someone doing something unrelated to their job duties. That's the entire point I'm making, that things done outside of job duties do not reflect the competency of the job. If you read the grandparent post, it's about making a judgment about whether one is effective at their job.
  - threatofrain 5y ago
    Well, if you're in a position of having to say "Yes, I used my work email to create a Disqus account, and most of those comments are mine, but not the one about Muslims hating America and being deported..." A professor naturally speaks with the authority of their institution, and reputation is far more easily maimed than repaired. The decision for Temple University to fire her is pretty obvious.
- dominicjj 5y ago
  Unless of course the DNC really did have Seth Rich killed. There are an awful lot of things which have yet to be explained away about his death: - nothing taken - photo shows disproportionate emergency vehicle response - Kim Dot Com has made a public statement that it was Rich who gave him the DNC emails - he was stabilized in ICU but died overnight according to an eyewitness - The director of the hospital is married to Lisa Kontupes - two sicarios who worked for Clinton's campaign were found dead in NC the day after his death - the DNC emails were detrimental to the Clinton campaign These are all facts. Some journalists find them suspicious and have constructed a theory of his death that makes sense of them all in one shot. This is an entirely legitimate thing to do. You can also explain away each of them and come to the conclusion that it was just a botched robbery. But assuming a priori that the DNC killing Seth Rich is somehow impossible and a conspiracy theory is not journalism or even common sense, no matter how often the mainstream media says it is.
  - teachrdan 5y ago
    > - two sicarios who worked for Clinton's campaign were found dead in NC the day after his death I tried googling this with no success. Can you cite a source for this claim?
    - dominicjj 5y ago
      Here's a report confirming their identification: https://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/crime/article89158707.html https://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/crime/article89... I said NC but it was Myrtle Beach, SC, sorry. Names: Rafael Aguilar, 31, and Carmelo Marmolejo-Calixto. http://gunmemorial.org/2016/07/11/rafael-aguilar http://gunmemorial.org/2016/07/11/rafael-aguilar Archived screenshot with his occupation listed as '2016 Clinton campaign aid (sic)': https://archive.is/pB7BX https://archive.is/pB7BX Conclusive? No. But should have been seriously dug into instead of the giant deafening silence we had. And one other thing I forgot to mention: Seymour Hersh, one of the finest old-school investigative journos in the world, dug in to this and confirmed all sorts of weird things: the FBI got access to Rich's PC, Rich contacted Wikileaks, Rich had DNC emails on his computer and so on.
rsynnott 5y ago
Incompetence. If you were a hospital who employed a surgeon who posted about how the germ theory of disease was bullshit on the socials, well, you’d probably be looking for a new surgeon; they’re either malicious or incredibly bad at their job.
- baobabKoodaa 5y ago
  Or here's another example: if you were a doctor advocating for mask use in May 2020, when everyone knew that mask use was bullshit, you should be fired from your job. Also, if you were a doctor advocating against mask use in May 2021, when everyone knew that mask use wasn't bullshit, you should also in that case be fired from your job. I would write more examples, but I have a book burning to attend to, brb...

dillondoyle 5y ago

Worse yet she said below about Muslims, which seems more relevant as she probably teaches muslim students. about a Muslim protest at Trump Tower, was especially abhorrent: “Scum. Deport them. They hate us. Get rid of them.”

dillondoyle 5y ago
Lol why -4 downvotes on this?!?