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I'm not sure I understand that. The Tesla plug is 5 pin - as is CCS. In terms of usability, CCS just plugs in. I've not used a Tesla plug, but I'm curious as t

by edent 5y ago

I'm not sure I understand that. The Tesla plug is 5 pin - as is CCS. In terms of usability, CCS just plugs in. I've not used a Tesla plug, but I'm curious as to how that could be cheaper. CCS doesn't weigh that much - it's a plastic shell around metal pins. The cable weighs a fair bit - but isn't that the same of any rugged cable?

Robotbeat 5y ago
It’s cheaper because it’s much smaller and topologically simpler. CCS is built like a gas nozzle with a separate handle and trigger. Tesla plug is just a smooth plug.
- tw04 5y ago
  It also seems to frequently get stuck... I've yet to hear that happening with CCS. Lighter but less reliable != better: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/supercharger-cable-stuck.227153/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/supercharger-cable-s...
  - Robotbeat 5y ago
    “Frequently”? No. Also, all fast charging plugs have an electronic interlock, and it’s for safety reasons (to prevent flash from a manual disconnect in the middle of charging). So the problem you describe happens for other vehicles occasionally, like eTron and i3 (after a quick google). Tesla vehicles are MUCH more common in the US and have had access to much better fast charging for a lot longer, so you’re a victim of sample bias.
    - tw04 5y ago
      I've been following tesla for years. There are people complaining of their cable getting stuck on the regular on reddit and other forums, so yes 'frequently'. I just did a google search, I have yet to find an i3 or etron that was stuck at a charging station overnight and required a tech to get it unlocked, but maybe I'm using the wrong term. Feel free to link to the stories? Everything I've seen using CCS, "stuck" is because someone forgot to push the trigger twice to unlock both the car and charger side.
      - cptskippy 5y ago
        Tesla charge ports are latched onto by the car, so when they get stuck it's because the car won't let go. You can access a manual release from within the trunk but it is by no means easy, convenient, or well-known. That being said, I've had this happen exactly once 3 years ago. All the complaints I've seen are around the 2018 time frame which is when I had issues so I wonder if it was a software issue with the Model 3 that's since been resolved. > Everything I've seen using CCS, "stuck" is because someone forgot to push the trigger twice to unlock both the car and charger side. Trigger? With CCS there's usually a button which is just one side of a lever with a latch at the other end. It's purely mechanical and you have to hold it down to release.
  - nickik 5y ago
    Go listen to the experience reports from the insideev podcast. Yes the Tesla charger can get stuck, but overall the quality and reliability is far better then the competition. They report far more problems with the CCS plugs. The reason you hear more about Tesla issue is because there are far more Teslas and far more superchargers in the US.

by edent 5y ago

Robotbeat 5y ago

It’s cheaper because it’s much smaller and topologically simpler. CCS is built like a gas nozzle with a separate handle and trigger. Tesla plug is just a smooth plug.

tw04 5y ago
It also seems to frequently get stuck... I've yet to hear that happening with CCS. Lighter but less reliable != better: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/supercharger-cable-stuck.227153/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/supercharger-cable-s...
- Robotbeat 5y ago
  “Frequently”? No. Also, all fast charging plugs have an electronic interlock, and it’s for safety reasons (to prevent flash from a manual disconnect in the middle of charging). So the problem you describe happens for other vehicles occasionally, like eTron and i3 (after a quick google). Tesla vehicles are MUCH more common in the US and have had access to much better fast charging for a lot longer, so you’re a victim of sample bias.
  - tw04 5y ago
    I've been following tesla for years. There are people complaining of their cable getting stuck on the regular on reddit and other forums, so yes 'frequently'. I just did a google search, I have yet to find an i3 or etron that was stuck at a charging station overnight and required a tech to get it unlocked, but maybe I'm using the wrong term. Feel free to link to the stories? Everything I've seen using CCS, "stuck" is because someone forgot to push the trigger twice to unlock both the car and charger side.
    - cptskippy 5y ago
      Tesla charge ports are latched onto by the car, so when they get stuck it's because the car won't let go. You can access a manual release from within the trunk but it is by no means easy, convenient, or well-known. That being said, I've had this happen exactly once 3 years ago. All the complaints I've seen are around the 2018 time frame which is when I had issues so I wonder if it was a software issue with the Model 3 that's since been resolved. > Everything I've seen using CCS, "stuck" is because someone forgot to push the trigger twice to unlock both the car and charger side. Trigger? With CCS there's usually a button which is just one side of a lever with a latch at the other end. It's purely mechanical and you have to hold it down to release.
- nickik 5y ago
  Go listen to the experience reports from the insideev podcast. Yes the Tesla charger can get stuck, but overall the quality and reliability is far better then the competition. They report far more problems with the CCS plugs. The reason you hear more about Tesla issue is because there are far more Teslas and far more superchargers in the US.