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> Gitlab created the goal of 50% of all senior leadership should be women by December 2021 to address the imbalance within this underrepresented group. I would

> Gitlab created the goal of 50% of all senior leadership should be women by December 2021 to address the imbalance within this underrepresented group. I wouldn't be too thrilled having my career advancement sacrificed in the pursuit of 50/50 men/woman representation.

Jolter 5y ago
You are free to not apply for a senior management at that business if you don’t like that policy.
- blub 5y ago
  Given that they've specifically said "advancement", the original poster must be referring to people which are already working for the stated company and will be skipped for promotion. I believe they would have grounds to sue for discrimination in such a case though.
- Gortal278 5y ago
  I think I have heard this before, Have you defended any bakeries discriminating against gay couples recently? Because it seems like the same reasoning.
7sigma 5y ago
Women haven't been too thrilled either about their career advancement being sacrificed because of workplace sexism.
- cto_of_antifa 5y ago
  Totally agreed, but I’ll bet anyone who’ll take the bet $20 there’s gonna be at least one long-winded comment about how you’re wrong
- lugged 5y ago
  Reaching. Reverse discrimination is still discrimination.
smt88 5y ago
> I wouldn't be too thrilled having my career advancement sacrificed in the pursuit of 50/50 men/woman representation. Your comment assumes that Gitlab can't find as many qualified women as they can men. You've decided (knowing nothing about the women except their gender) that they are only being hired for those roles because of their gender.
- blub 5y ago
  The sentence you quoted makes no such assumption. This kind of quota can either be fulfilled by hiring significantly more women, or by rejecting men and only hiring women. Since gitlab or any other company can't suddenly conjure female candidates out of thin air, it follows that they must reject men irrespective of their qualification and based purely on sex. Here's a couple of examples from other areas: * a university department in the EU announced that they will no longer hire males until they fulfil their quota. * the German Green party has a rule that only women can occupy the top position at various levels. Both of these are clear cases of sexual discrimination.
  - KozmoNau7 5y ago
    > the German Green party has a rule that only women can occupy the top position at various levels. Uh, no. The party is co-led by a man and a woman. The leaders of their parliamentary group is a man and a woman. The Green Party minister-president of Baden Württemberg is a man. They do support quotas on executive boards, but that is a damn far cry from your claims of "only women can occupy the top position". Internally in the party, they strive towards a 50/50 quota, but it's not a strict policy and the actual membership composition varies between elections. > a university department in the EU announced that they will no longer hire males until they fulfil their quota. Which university and which department? Also, a single department at a single university does not a widespread policy make. Cite your sources.
    - blub 5y ago
      I don't have enough interest in German politics to get into a deep discussion about it, but for the record I was referring to election lists and the "Mindestquotierung" where odd election list spots, including the first spot are reserved for women. This is confirmed for example by the situation in Saarland, where a man was chosen on the first spot. In the end there was so much pressure on that person from party colleagues (including one of the co-leads that you mentioned) that they had to step back, even if they had won fair and square. The party-internal positions are mostly irrelevant, as the male co-lead of the Greens has found out when they had to make place for the chancellorship candidacy for his equal footed colleague with no government experience. And Kretchmann is probably one of the most successful Greens, it would be political suicide not to let him run loose :) I don't remember which University, it was in a newspaper article. I have no idea if it's wide spread or not, the point was that the department(?) lead was comfortable not just mentioning, but advertising that practice in a newspaper, whereas the reverse would have gotten him in trouble immediately.
yosito 5y ago
Not to mention they're making women into a diversity token. Race/gender quotas lead nowhere good.

Jolter 5y ago

You are free to not apply for a senior management at that business if you don’t like that policy.

blub 5y ago
Given that they've specifically said "advancement", the original poster must be referring to people which are already working for the stated company and will be skipped for promotion. I believe they would have grounds to sue for discrimination in such a case though.
Gortal278 5y ago
I think I have heard this before, Have you defended any bakeries discriminating against gay couples recently? Because it seems like the same reasoning.

7sigma 5y ago

Women haven't been too thrilled either about their career advancement being sacrificed because of workplace sexism.

cto_of_antifa 5y ago
Totally agreed, but I’ll bet anyone who’ll take the bet $20 there’s gonna be at least one long-winded comment about how you’re wrong
lugged 5y ago
Reaching. Reverse discrimination is still discrimination.

smt88 5y ago

> I wouldn't be too thrilled having my career advancement sacrificed in the pursuit of 50/50 men/woman representation. Your comment assumes that Gitlab can't find as many qualified women as they can men. You've decided (knowing nothing about the women except their gender) that they are only being hired for those roles because of their gender.

blub 5y ago
The sentence you quoted makes no such assumption. This kind of quota can either be fulfilled by hiring significantly more women, or by rejecting men and only hiring women. Since gitlab or any other company can't suddenly conjure female candidates out of thin air, it follows that they must reject men irrespective of their qualification and based purely on sex. Here's a couple of examples from other areas: * a university department in the EU announced that they will no longer hire males until they fulfil their quota. * the German Green party has a rule that only women can occupy the top position at various levels. Both of these are clear cases of sexual discrimination.
- KozmoNau7 5y ago
  > the German Green party has a rule that only women can occupy the top position at various levels. Uh, no. The party is co-led by a man and a woman. The leaders of their parliamentary group is a man and a woman. The Green Party minister-president of Baden Württemberg is a man. They do support quotas on executive boards, but that is a damn far cry from your claims of "only women can occupy the top position". Internally in the party, they strive towards a 50/50 quota, but it's not a strict policy and the actual membership composition varies between elections. > a university department in the EU announced that they will no longer hire males until they fulfil their quota. Which university and which department? Also, a single department at a single university does not a widespread policy make. Cite your sources.
  - blub 5y ago
    I don't have enough interest in German politics to get into a deep discussion about it, but for the record I was referring to election lists and the "Mindestquotierung" where odd election list spots, including the first spot are reserved for women. This is confirmed for example by the situation in Saarland, where a man was chosen on the first spot. In the end there was so much pressure on that person from party colleagues (including one of the co-leads that you mentioned) that they had to step back, even if they had won fair and square. The party-internal positions are mostly irrelevant, as the male co-lead of the Greens has found out when they had to make place for the chancellorship candidacy for his equal footed colleague with no government experience. And Kretchmann is probably one of the most successful Greens, it would be political suicide not to let him run loose :) I don't remember which University, it was in a newspaper article. I have no idea if it's wide spread or not, the point was that the department(?) lead was comfortable not just mentioning, but advertising that practice in a newspaper, whereas the reverse would have gotten him in trouble immediately.

yosito 5y ago

Not to mention they're making women into a diversity token. Race/gender quotas lead nowhere good.