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Yeah, I wish we had German-style "unfurnished" apartments available in the US where you can rent an apartment that's literally concrete subfloor and unpainted w

Yeah, I wish we had German-style "unfurnished" apartments available in the US where you can rent an apartment that's literally concrete subfloor and unpainted walls, no kitchen appliances or cabinets, etc. I guess Americans move too frequently to make this viable.

dougmwne 5y ago
Would your landlord pay you for the improvements you make? Is seems a full interior build out could cost tens of thousands of euros. Why not just buy if you have that much free cash sitting around for a down payment? And what happens if your landlord tries to push you out?
- hatchnyc 5y ago
  I think this is not going to make sense if your only point of reference is residential rentals in a typical American city, but this is how it is done in at least some places in Europe. People tend to stay in one place for much longer than Americans. If you're on a budget you can go to Ikea and buy a kitchen...based on my friends' places I'd say that's the norm.
  - mapmap 5y ago
    Do you take the kitchen with you when you leave or does the landlord tear it down?
    - mateo411 5y ago
      You can only move IKEA furniture once. If you move it twice it will fall apart.
    - jamil7 5y ago
      Some people do yes, I’ve heard a few people dismantle and take it with them, more common is that you offer the next tenants to pay for the kitchen at a reduced rate. Keep in mind it’s very difficult to kick a tenant out of a rental here and you can often keep a flat for as long as you want so doing large renovations to a rented flat isn’t uncommon.
- Spooky23 5y ago
  Longer leases are the norm. You’re not stuck in annual lease hell when the market is hot.
- User23 5y ago
  Germany has national rent control[1][2] and leases are heritable. Leasing in Germany is much more like owning than it is in the USA. [1] https://mietspiegeltabelle.de/ https://mietspiegeltabelle.de/ [2] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mietspiegel https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mietspiegel
benglish11 5y ago
Don’t Germans generally move their whole kitchen? I think I remember this correctly from taking German a bunch of years ago.
- Thrymr 5y ago
  I really do not get the appeal of moving your own cabinets from apartment to apartment. But I guess it does allow you to customize your rented place more than is possible in the US.
  - chii 5y ago
    > cabinets from apartment to apartment. unless these cabinets are somehow standarized sizes, how can they be moved?

dougmwne 5y ago

Would your landlord pay you for the improvements you make? Is seems a full interior build out could cost tens of thousands of euros. Why not just buy if you have that much free cash sitting around for a down payment? And what happens if your landlord tries to push you out?

hatchnyc 5y ago
I think this is not going to make sense if your only point of reference is residential rentals in a typical American city, but this is how it is done in at least some places in Europe. People tend to stay in one place for much longer than Americans. If you're on a budget you can go to Ikea and buy a kitchen...based on my friends' places I'd say that's the norm.
- mapmap 5y ago
  Do you take the kitchen with you when you leave or does the landlord tear it down?
  - mateo411 5y ago
    You can only move IKEA furniture once. If you move it twice it will fall apart.
  - jamil7 5y ago
    Some people do yes, I’ve heard a few people dismantle and take it with them, more common is that you offer the next tenants to pay for the kitchen at a reduced rate. Keep in mind it’s very difficult to kick a tenant out of a rental here and you can often keep a flat for as long as you want so doing large renovations to a rented flat isn’t uncommon.
Spooky23 5y ago
Longer leases are the norm. You’re not stuck in annual lease hell when the market is hot.
User23 5y ago
Germany has national rent control[1][2] and leases are heritable. Leasing in Germany is much more like owning than it is in the USA. [1] https://mietspiegeltabelle.de/ https://mietspiegeltabelle.de/ [2] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mietspiegel https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mietspiegel

benglish11 5y ago

Don’t Germans generally move their whole kitchen? I think I remember this correctly from taking German a bunch of years ago.

Thrymr 5y ago
I really do not get the appeal of moving your own cabinets from apartment to apartment. But I guess it does allow you to customize your rented place more than is possible in the US.
- chii 5y ago
  > cabinets from apartment to apartment. unless these cabinets are somehow standarized sizes, how can they be moved?